Originally posted by Gaevus Mesias
guyz, plz stop arguing, just answer a simple debate with some backup, Anakin vs. The Apprentice, leave Mace vs. Dooku for another thread.
Sorry about that. I have a short temper when people sit and talk trash all day.
But as for your thread, i say the apprentice will win. He has done some amazing things with the force, but Anakin is far better with a saber.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So there is no number 2?
NO! There not! Because theres 2 no.1's so theres no place for a no.2.
Look Think of it this way. Theres 2 people. Yoda and Sidious. Both equally powerful. Both the most powerful. But theres 2 of them. They therefore have to jointly share the no. 1 and no. 2 spots.
Otherwise if you rank the 5 most powerful jedis then you will stop at no.4 not no.5, because you would have given 2 people the no.1 spot and still given the no.2 spot to someone esle. Unless you have 6 jedis in the top 5 jedi list which again makes no sense. For the top 5 ranking jedis to stop at no.4 or to have 6 jedis in it makes no sense at all.
Also it doesnt matter whose more powerful between Yoda and Sidious. If we all agree that they are BOTH more powerful than Mace then that would automatically make Mace no more than the THIRD most powerful, because weve all agreed that there are at least 2 people more powerful than him.
If Sidious and Yoda are just as good or not, this has no effect on Mace or his ranking whatsoever, because theres still at least 2 people more powerful than him.
I hope iv taught you some simple maths now. Seems like the education system really is failing kids nowadays.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So the director is wrong, and you guys are right? I am gonna go by the directors opinion, before i go by anyone on KMC, because the director worked with GL, and had conversations with him...I can see if the director says that was his opinion, but he didn't. How do you guys know that what the director said is not canon?...
Did you want me to mail you the dvd, and play it for you. I verified the source more than once. Are you arguing just to argue...
None of this matters because "the director" never said Sidous is more powerful than Mace or Vice Versa. he didnt even mention Sidious. He just said Mace was no. 2 to Yoda, which is therefore clearly in reference to The Jedi and at That Time during the CW. and dnt give us that crap that "The Director" had no ides how Powerful Sidious was. Because If he didnt then he cant be used as a cannon source. and if he just Assumed Mace is more powerful than Sidious then that would have been a pretty Daft Assumption, so again would not make him a good authority.
Also heres a question for you.. Do you believe that "the director" of the CW mini is more of a cannon source than Dave Filoni the director of the new animated series?? because Dave Filoni was asked about the CW mini, and he said he liked it with it's "Over the top and exaggerated use of the Force.."
More proof that the mini CW was over the top and exaggerated in its diplays of the Force was Yoda fighting in the first episode of the new animated series. He took on an drois armada by sneaking around and taking on a few small army of droids at a time.. He therfore was not capable of replicaiton Mace's feat in the Clone Wars Mini, of taking on a Whole Droid Armada and a Seismic Tank HEAD ON!
Now before people scream at me, im not saying the CW mini was not cannon. The story was completely cannon. Just the use of the Force was exaggerated, according to Dave Filoni. In fact even GL himself says the the mini was his "ideal vision," and therfore not the vision of Jedis hes portrayed in the movies which is the Ultimate Source of cannonicity.
Anyway as for Anakin vs. Starkiller. Starkiller most likely wins using the Force. However Anakin does have a chance if he gets all over him with his Saber like he did to Dooku, who was also Anakins clear superior with the Force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
NO! There not! Because theres 2 no.1's so theres no place for a no.2.Look Think of it this way. Theres 2 people. Yoda and Sidious. Both equally powerful. Both the most powerful. But theres 2 of them. They therefore have to jointly share the no. 1 and no. 2 spots.
Otherwise if you rank the 5 most powerful jedis then you will stop at no.4 not no.5, because you would have given 2 people the no.1 spot and still given the no.2 spot to someone esle. Unless you have 6 jedis in the top 5 jedi list which again makes no sense. For the top 5 ranking jedis to stop at no.4 or to have 6 jedis in it makes no sense at all.Also it doesnt matter whose more powerful between Yoda and Sidious. If we all agree that they are BOTH more powerful than Mace then that would automatically make Mace no more than the THIRD most powerful, because weve all agreed that there are at least 2 people more powerful than him.
If Sidious and Yoda are just as good or not, this has no effect on Mace or his ranking whatsoever, because theres still at least 2 people more powerful than him.I hope iv taught you some simple maths now. Seems like the education system really is failing kids nowadays.
None of this matters because "the director" never said Sidous is more powerful than Mace or Vice Versa. he didnt even mention Sidious. He just said Mace was no. 2 to Yoda, which is therefore clearly in reference to The Jedi and at That Time during the CW. and dnt give us that crap that "The Director" had no ides how Powerful Sidious was. Because If he didnt then he cant be used as a cannon source. and if he just Assumed Mace is more powerful than Sidious then that would have been a pretty Daft Assumption, so again would not make him a good authority.
Also heres a question for you.. Do you believe that "the director" of the CW mini is more of a cannon source than Dave Filoni the director of the new animated series?? because Dave Filoni was asked about the CW mini, and he said he liked it with it's "Over the top and exaggerated use of the Force.."
More proof that the mini CW was over the top and exaggerated in its diplays of the Force was Yoda fighting in the first episode of the new animated series. He took on an drois armada by sneaking around and taking on a few small army of droids at a time.. He therfore was not capable of replicaiton Mace's feat in the Clone Wars Mini, of taking on a Whole Droid Armada and a Seismic Tank HEAD ON!Now before people scream at me, im not saying the CW mini was not cannon. The story was completely cannon. Just the use of the Force was exaggerated, according to Dave Filoni. In fact even GL himself says the the mini was his "ideal vision," and therfore not the vision of Jedis hes portrayed in the movies which is the Ultimate Source of cannonicity.
Anyway as for Anakin vs. Starkiller. Starkiller most likely wins using the Force. However Anakin does have a chance if he gets all over him with his Saber like he did to Dooku, who was also Anakins clear superior with the Force.
When did Lucas say this. I thought Lucas said the first CW is how the jedi would be at full extent. Now your arguement is: Since Yoda did not take out the army the way Windu did, it makes what Windu did non-canon. Sorry it don't work that way. Yoda was probably more worried about his comrads safety than he was showing off his force powers.
Starkiller still wins.
He defeated Darth Vader and proceeded to fight Darth Sidious right after the match. Meaning he was NOT in 100% condition when he fought and defeated Sidious.
If Lord Kota did not stop him, he would've finally killed Sidious. But for the purpose of the plot, Sidious had to survive.
The lightning strike from Sidious finally killed him when he powered it up with his own anger against Sidious.
BTW Starkiller probably has the strongest force from any Jedi/Sith Lord (Before you start bashing me that Yoda is the strongest Force user... Of course he is! The dude lived longer than 800+ years!!!). Darth Vader thought the force he felt from Starkiller came from Kento's master. Kento said that Vader already killed his master, so that strong force presence emanated from Starkiller.
EDIT:
Starkiller sensed Kota with his 1st Jedi meditation. After being with the Dark Side for so long, that is one feat no one could replicate.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Starkiller still wins.He defeated Darth Vader and proceeded to fight Darth Sidious right after the match. Meaning he was NOT in 100% condition when he fought and defeated Sidious.
If Lord Kota did not stop him, he would've finally killed Sidious. But for the purpose of the plot, Sidious had to survive.
The lightning strike from Sidious finally killed him when he powered it up with his own anger against Sidious.
BTW Starkiller probably has the strongest force from any Jedi/Sith Lord (Before you start bashing me that Yoda is the strongest Force user... Of course he is! The dude lived longer than 800+ years!!!). Darth Vader thought the force he felt from Starkiller came from Kento's master. Kento said that Vader already killed his master, so that strong force presence emanated from Starkiller.
EDIT:
Starkiller sensed Kota with his 1st Jedi meditation. After being with the Dark Side for so long, that is one feat no one could replicate.
You have a couple of misconceptions it seems.
- Starkiller did not defeat Sidious, and he wasn't able to.
- Starkiller was not the strongest force user ever, neither was Yoda, although he was a lot stronger than Starkiller.
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
You have a couple of misconceptions it seems.- Starkiller did not defeat Sidious, and he wasn't able to.
- Starkiller was not the strongest force user ever, neither was Yoda, although he was a lot stronger than Starkiller.
I am not sure if Starkiller is the strongest force user. Thus the word 'probably'.
May I ask, who is the strongest force user, if not Yoda??
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Wrong.
Yes, you are
Starkiller defeated Sidious.
When he was to deliver the final blow, Kota told him to stop and leave Sidious alone for he was already defeated. /QUOTE]
And Galen said thatit's a trick, he is stronger then you know, and he deserves to die for what he's done to me.[QUOTE]Sidious used his lightning on Kota, and Starkiller blocked it with his hands. Sidious finally overpowered his Force and killed him when he unleashed his anger to Sidious, thus making Sidious stronger. I am not sure if Starkiller is the strongest force user. Thus the word 'probably'.
The official databank makes it clear: Starkiller "was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious." Sidious > Starkiller.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerWhen he was to deliver the final blow, Kota told him to stop and leave Sidious alone for he was already defeated. Sidious used his lightning on Kota, and [quote]Starkiller blocked it with his hands. Sidious finally overpowered his Force and killed him when he unleashed his anger to Sidious, thus making Sidious stronger.Sideous sat there and let Galen do that. Sids [b]always
does that. He did it to Vader, and he did it to Luke. The whole "kill me! Strike me down!" thing is Sids shtick."Anger" itself doesn't make Sideous stronger...
[quote]I am not sure if Starkiller is the strongest force user. Thus the word 'probably'.
May I ask, who is the strongest force user, if not Yoda?? [/B]
He's not.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Sideous sat there and let Galen do that. Sids [b]always does that. He did it to Vader, and he did it to Luke. The whole "kill me! Strike me down!" thing is Sids shtick."Anger" itself doesn't make Sideous stronger...
He's not. [/B]
Kuke Skywalker.. from store wars xD
and just a random comment.. Yoda only lost to sids because he was standing further out of the pod.. not even within the railing so obviously he would be blasted farther apart because of that and his light weight. so i would say yoda had a chance to beat palpy. watch the vid some other person posted. notice where yoda stands at 3:23.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gnjyp0nSqc
as a side note.. I don't get why sids didn't get hit by the pod yoda threw at him. It always looked to me as if it went through sids not beside or above..
Originally posted by kotorfan
Kuke Skywalker.. from store wars xDand just a random comment.. Yoda only lost to sids because he was standing further out of the pod.. not even within the railing so obviously he would be blasted farther apart because of that and his light weight. so i would say yoda had a chance to beat palpy. watch the vid some other person posted. notice where yoda stands at 3:23.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gnjyp0nSqcas a side note.. I don't get why sids didn't get hit by the pod yoda threw at him. It always looked to me as if it went through sids not beside or above..
According to the novel, Yoda admitts he didn't have it in him to defeat Sidious.