ROTS Anakin vs. The Apprentice

I personally feel that if they had been fighting on, say, a grassy flat meadow, Yoda would have won.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I personally feel that if they had been fighting on, say, a grassy flat meadow, Yoda would have won.

Possibly, but he'd subsequently drown in a pool of his own blood for the effort.

Pfft. There is no blood in the PT-era.

Originally posted by Faunus
It wasn't. Yoda in no way lacked the physical capability to best Sidious in personal combat.

No he didn't, but after several minutes of fighting, Yoda realized that fighting was getting no where, and that neither of them held a great advantage over the other. They were pretty much evenly matched. After Yoda realized he was unable to out match Sidious with a saber and the force, continuing the fight would not make a difference.

... according to who?

The novelization doesn't even remotely suggest that. Nor does the movie. Nor does the script. And, more importantly, I'm telling you it doesn't. My word is law.

Originally posted by Gideon
The novelization doesn't even remotely suggest that. Nor does the movie. Nor does the script. And, more importantly, I'm telling you it doesn't. My word is law.

Here are Yoda's exact thoughts:

"He Knew, at that instant, that this insight held hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him."

This was stated near the end of the fight. Now notice how right before the fight even started, Yoda seemed to have more confidence. Towards the end of the fight Yoda's thoughts were: "He just didn't have it", and the thought i quoted above. Do you think that if Yoda had faith he could kill Sidious, he would be making comments like this.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Here are Yoda's exact thoughts:

"He Knew, at that instant, that this insight held hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him."

This was stated near the end of the fight. Now notice how right before the fight even started, Yoda seemed to have more confidence. Towards the end of the fight Yoda's thoughts were: "He just didn't have it", and the thought i quoted above. Do you think that if Yoda had faith he could kill Sidious, he would be making comments like this.

That's bullshit revisionist history. That Yoda went into the fight with more confidence than what he ended up with isn't an indicator that he lacked the power to beat Sidious; it meant that it just was going to be more difficult than he imagined it would be.

As far as confidence goes, I seem to recall a certain Sith Lord cackling and laughing at his "little green friend" yet his one way flight over the desk prompted him to haul ass out of his office.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's bullshit revisionist history. That Yoda went into the fight with more confidence than what he ended up with isn't an indicator that he lacked the power to beat Sidious; it meant that it just was going to be more difficult than he imagined it would be.

Before you make this into a long drawn out arguement, please read carefully what i wrote. When exactly did i say Yoda lacked capability? By Yoda's own admission he did not have it in him to defeat Sidious, and which he didn't. Yoda tried to kill Sidious and failed, but nor was Sidious able to kill Yoda. Here is a quote from the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary:

"In his contest with Sidious, Yoda realizes he is overmatched and deserts the fight, perhaps because his spirit has been broken by so many jedi deaths".

As far as confidence goes, I seem to recall a certain Sith Lord cackling and laughing at his "little green friend" yet his one way flight over the desk prompted him to haul ass out of his office.

What exactly does this have to do with what i said?

Ya know Gideon, when you quote the idiot you make it a lot harder to ignore it. When you circumvent the Ignore function you undermine all that makes KMC great. (Me.)

I don't count Faunus's greatness because he sucks. And he's a fatty.

(JK?)

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Ya know Gideon, when you quote the idiot you make it a lot harder to ignore it. When you circumvent the Ignore function you undermine all that makes KMC great. (Me.)

I don't count Faunus's greatness because he sucks. And he's a fatty.

(JK?)

Also, I wouldn't answer the door when BOOG and Master Crimzon come knocking.

This makes no sense.

Yes it does. I do not consider your greatness a factor in determining the total greatness of the KMC message boards, because you suck. And are a fatty. If we did include your greatness the scale would probably break. The number would be too big, so I had to find a valid reason to exclude your greatness from the measurement. The only reason I could think of was that you suck, are a fatty, and weren't born in America so you can't be president.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Yes it does. I do not consider your greatness a factor in determining the total greatness of the KMC message boards, because you suck.

And are a fatty.

If we did include your greatness the scale would probably break. The number would be too big, so I had to find a valid reason to exclude your greatness from the measurement.

The only reason I could think of was that you suck, are a fatty, and weren't born in America so you can't be president.

And place of birth doesn't matter anymore. Obama's a Muslim Arab terrorist-friend straight out of Arabia, and he's about to be President.

Damn you and your logical application of the implied principles inherent in my post. Damn you to hell.

Prove there is a Hell.

Although according to emerging theories about the size of the universe (infinite) and the alleged existence of other universes (the multiverse), mathematical odds suggest that there is a location in space that would match the modern concept idea of Hell.

Originally posted by Faunus
Prove there is a Hell.

Although according to emerging theories about the size of the universe (infinite) and the alleged existence of other universes (the multiverse), mathematical odds suggest that there is a location in space that would match the modern concept idea of Hell.

As cool as it sounds, the Multiverse is not a very good model to support, at least right now. It is completely untestable (as far as I know) and doesn't make any predictions about the universe, except possibly solving some Schrodinger's cat problems in Quantum Mechanics. As much as I like the concept, I'm keeping it in carefully cultivated skepticism until more (moar) evidence can be procured.

I wasn't actually referring to Hell as a physical place or manifestation, I was using it in the metaphysical sense of a very very bad place to be. Rather than say "Go to hell," which would raise many questions about inter dimensional travel, the integrity of intelligence after death, the location of hell, the authenticity of Judeo-Christian mythology and the source for the descriptions we have of the region, I instead used the curse "damn you to hell" which uses hell as an intensifier to the concept of curse (damn) rather than a concrete location. For our purposes there needs not be a hell, only the concept of such a place.

"Damn" being a derivative of "damnation," which is punishment by God that generally involves being sent to Hell.

Originally posted by Faunus
"Damn" being a derivative of "damnation," which is punishment by God that generally involves being sent to Hell.

In modern usage it has degenerated into a common epithet, most often used as a curse in a petty, common, secular usage than a religious command. Anyway, arguing etymology is pointless. What a word used to mean has no bearing (or very little) on how it is used (syntactically) today.

Some Uber-Grammar Nazi who actually gets paid to be a nazi:

[E]tymologies contribute nothing; if you're a serious adherent to Omit Needless Words, or if you're just writing to space limitations, the etymologies should be excised.

No.

Great answer.