Originally posted by Lycanthrope
How did an ancient man know anything.?.Observation, yet in the old Sumarian text they knew that we are not a Geocentric but Heliocentric planetary system. You cant know that through observation. They new of planets past mars how could they have done that through observation.
You realize we only know things due to observation too, right?
Originally posted by inimalist
and that mars is visible to the naked eye?
And Jupiter.
And the Sun wasn't credited as center of the solar system, it was typically credited as the center of the universe (which isn't accurate as far as we know). In fact it's signifigance in religion is easily explained by the fact that it is the most consistent and powerful thing anybody could imagine at the time.
Originally posted by inimalist
I was going to say, weren't there Greeks who were in favor of heliocentrism? they just sort of lost out to Ptolomy? I honestly don't know
I . . . I just looked up heliocentrism and . . . oh Jesus . . .
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/heliocentrism-is-an-atheist-doctrine/
Anyway, he says the Greeks thought it up first.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You realize we only know things due to observation too, right?
Through observation the Sun would appear to circle the Earth. And the Sumarians new of Saturn Uranus and Pluto. They new of the collision with with earth that the Moon is a chunk of. Planetary scientist theorize that a planet, external of our Solar system, smashed into earth and this caused the fusion that generates the heat from the planet core that started the whole process of our living planet. How did the ancients know that?
Originally posted by inimalist
and that mars is visible to the naked eye?
I mentioned "past" Mars. I used past Mars because Mercury,Venus and Mars are easy for a common man to see. Jupiter would have to have been observed through its movement in the night sky after a very long time of study. Im not a scholar obviously. I was just in hopes that someone else had read Sitchins work but, i see in my trying to make a synopsis of the 12 books i didnt do it any justice because everyone is picking apart my failed attempt to summarize years of research by Sitchin.
I do think its sad that people cant offer ideas or share their knowledge with out feeling it necessary to belittle and react condescendingly to others just seeking knowledge or trying to learn something. I dont know how "Symmetric Chaos" can keep balanced when standing with such a massive head. It wouldn't surprise me if it had its own gravitational pull.hitler 😆
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Through observation the Sun would appear to circle the Earth. And the Sumarians new of Saturn Uranus and Pluto.
Observation will also show that the course of the planets is not orderly and one can resolve that by placing the sun in the center of the solar system. Ancient thinkers had a lot of time on their hands.
I certainly can't explain how they knew about Pluto or Uranus but Saturn could probably seen by a dedicated observer when it's at certain angles relative to the Earth.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
They new of the collision with with earth that the Moon is a chunk of. Planetary scientist theorize that a planet, external of our Solar system, smashed into earth and this caused the fusion that generates the heat from the planet core that started the whole process of our living planet. How did the ancients know that?
There are ancient texts that say "a planet sized object smashed into the ancient Earth and created fusion that fuels it's internal heat to this day"? Because that would be oddly specific and technical for people from thousands of years ago. It would also not make any sense, at all.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I do think its sad that people cant offer ideas or share their knowledge with out feeling it necessary to belittle and react condescendingly to others just seeking knowledge or trying to learn something. I dont know how "Symmetric Chaos" can keep balanced when standing with such a massive head. It wouldn't surprise me if it had its own gravitational pull.hitler
I have exceptional balance and I am sorry if I offended you. I have very poor social empathy and it rarely occurs to me that people don't always want my input or might be annoyed by the way I give it.
Symmetric Chaos responded "There are ancient texts that say "a planet sized object smashed into the ancient Earth and created fusion that fuels it's internal heat to this day"? Because that would be oddly specific and technical for people from thousands of years ago. It would also not make any sense, at all."
This is my point. They did know this and this has been scientifically proved that it occurred.
And Chaos..... your input is always welcome but i am not on here arguing that i am right and everyone else is wrong or idiots so i just didnt see the need for some of the harsh responses. Please share what every you have.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I mentioned "past" Mars. I used past Mars because Mercury,Venus and Mars are easy for a common man to see.
many planets past mars are visible to the naked eye
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Jupiter would have to have been observed through its movement in the night sky after a very long time of study.
and you think aliens are more likely than long term observation and tracking of celestial bodies by early humans?
Do you like looking at the stars?
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Im not a scholar obviously. I was just in hopes that someone else had read Sitchins work but, i see in my trying to make a synopsis of the 12 books i didnt do it any justice because everyone is picking apart my failed attempt to summarize years of research by Sitchin.
rarely ever is it advisable to believe the work of only one individual. Especially one who makes such wild claims
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I do think its sad that people cant offer ideas or share their knowledge with out feeling it necessary to belittle and react condescendingly to others just seeking knowledge or trying to learn something.
its not just you. generally on the internet you have to have some tolerance for people telling you exactly what they think
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I dont know how "Symmetric Chaos" can keep balanced when standing with such a massive head. It wouldn't surprise me if it had its own gravitational pull. laughing
that seems rather unnecessary
Inimalist, I have had conversations on other threads with Symmetric Chaos and he is very quick to call people idiot or silly or ignorant. On this thread he called someones thoughts Silly. I was making a point that the ancients couldn't know of all the planets because they could not observe them and he said "You do know that We only learn things through observation too right?" That was a condescending remark because one , we have telescopes in space and two, it didnt relate to the point i was making that they could not observe all the planets. I was trying to convey that, if you know something another doesn't just share it with out the sarcasm and belittling thats all and i thought i ended it with humor as to not inflame or succumb to nasty comments back and forth . From what i could tell he understood what i was saying so Yes I think it was Necessary.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Inimalist, I have had conversations on other threads with Symmetric Chaos and he is very quick to call people idiot or silly or ignorant. On this thread he called someones thoughts Silly. I was making a point that the ancients couldn't know of all the planets because they could not observe them and he said "You do know that We only learn things through observation too right?" That was a condescending remark because one , we have telescopes in space and two, it didnt relate to the point i was making that they could not observe all the planets. I was trying to convey that, if you know something another doesn't just share it with out the sarcasm and belittling thats all and i thought i ended it with humor as to not inflame or succumb to nasty comments back and forth . From what i could tell he understood what i was saying so Yes I think it was Necessary.
you probably shouldn't post on an open discussion forum on the internet if you don't want to hear people's frank opinions.
and at this point, your the one who is ignoring the topic of the thread just to moan
Originally posted by inimalist
you probably shouldn't post on an open discussion forum on the internet if you don't want to hear people's frank opinions.and at this point, your the one who is ignoring the topic of the thread just to moan
There is a difference in being frank and being rude. I would think with your Superior intellect you would understand that. I like how spin me responding to Your post as off topic and moaning. Go massage your ego.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
There is a difference in being frank and being rude. I would think with your Superior intellect you would understand that. I like how spin me responding to Your post as off topic and moaning. Go massage your ego.
I don't understand why you are responding to me with hostility simply because I expressed disagreement and disapproval regarding what you had posted.
Originally posted by inimalist
I don't understand why you are responding to me with hostility simply because I expressed disagreement and disapproval regarding what you had posted.
You didn't simply "express disagreement" you were accusatory. You said "I'm off topic and moaning" for responding to you. This is ridiculous. I'm sorry I started the thread. It was a topic of interest. I wanted to talk to other people interested not people who disagree to fulfill their need to feel superior by adding post to make people seem foolish. I mean why bother.I know so they can profess their wisdom over "ALL" Who needs this.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
You didn't simply "express disagreement" you were accusatory. You said "I'm off topic and moaning" for responding to you. This is ridiculous. I'm sorry I started the thread. It was a topic of interest. I wanted to talk to other people interested not people who disagree to fulfill their need to feel superior by adding post to make people seem foolish. I mean why bother.I know so they can profess their wisdom over "ALL" Who needs this.
-you did not reply to my statement about more planets than just Mars being visible to the naked eye
-you did not address my point about it being more likely that ancient man was as interested in astronomy as modern man, and thus probably noticed the irregular movement of planets vs stars in the sky without the need of alien intervention
-You did not address my point about relying on a single author to form a hypothesis
What you did do was focus on the part where I mentioned it was unnecessary to get personal.
It is abundantly clear all you wanted with this thread was to proselytize some inanity, yet when questioned about it, you would rather complain that someone said something rude. Very well, notice however, any point of substance YOU have made has been answered, while you have offered nothing other than "I like this guy" in your defense.
I'm sorry people use phrases that hurt your feelings. This is a place for grown up conversation I'm afraid, and sometimes that means telling someone you think what they believe is nonsense. Please leave your martyrdom out of this?
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Symmetric Chaos responded "There are ancient texts that say "a planet sized object smashed into the ancient Earth and created fusion that fuels it's internal heat to this day"? Because that would be oddly specific and technical for people from thousands of years ago. It would also not make any sense, at all."This is my point. They did know this and this has been scientifically proved that it occurred.
Except that the Earth isn't heated internally by fusion and I would like to see the documents where the statement is made as I seriously doubt they exist at all.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Y-you think I might have been joking? The whole agreeing with inimalist then stating the exact opposite didn't give it away?
Maybe I just wanted to show off my giant head.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Except that the Earth isn't heated internally by fusion and I would like to see the documents where the statement is made as I seriously doubt they exist at all.Maybe I just wanted to show off my giant head.
Could you explain? Please explain to me what the core of the earth is because i am confused . Is it not the compression or immense pressure of gravity that smashes the atoms together. I really don't know i thought that was what fusion was. The smashing of Atoms? Im not being a smart A** if you know please tell me. I can find a link where Planetary science confirms the colliding of an external planet (actually a satellite from this invading planet) to our Solar system which amalgamated to form earth to which the Moon is a chunk of from the original earth. The bigger chunks,through gravitational pull , formed Earth.The heat generated, from fusion i thought, spewed gasses which started to form an atmosphere which the atmosphere is what made it possible for hydrogen and oxygen to collect and form rain thus the beginnings of life on earth.