The ANH Vader wasn't as impressive as some think.
An aged Obi-Wan was able to stalemate him in a duel.
It is a false notion that Malak needed Star Forge to accomplish victories in difficult fights. Malak was a skilled swordsman and a powerful Force user during his reign as a Dark Lord. He managed to defeat 3 major enemies in a 3 on 1 combat scenario on the Leviathan and his victory shows that he was capable of accomplishing great feats even without any external help.
A large of Sith stationed on the Leviathan failed to stop those 3 agents of the Republic from trying to reach the hangers of the Cruiser and suffered heavy casualties in the process. However, when they faced the Dark Lord, despite being in an advantageous position, they lost and one got captured in the end.
Malak will be able to defeat the ANH incarnation of Vader in most situations.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
there is your problem, obi-wan wasn't aged, and the spectacle of the fight doesn't say much for its consistency. Obi wan has the 20 strikes per second defense and is a very formidable warrior. I don't think being stalemated by him is necessarily a bad thing.
Do you even know that how old was Obi-Wan during the events of the ANH? This is the time when Luke Skywalker showed up on the scene as a hero. The aged Obi-Wan (also known as "Ben Kenobi"😉 was experienced but was no way near as powerful as he was during the events of ROTS. In those days he was at his peak and even managed to defeat an enraged but powerful Vader in a fierce duel.
The duel that took place on the Death Star I between an aged Obi-Wan and Vader still resulted in a stalemate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The ANH Vader wasn't as impressive as some think.An aged Obi-Wan was able to stalemate him in a duel.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is a false notion that Malak needed Star Forge to accomplish victories in difficult fights. Malak was a skilled swordsman and a powerful Force user during his reign as a Dark Lord. He managed to defeat 3 major enemies in a 3 on 1 combat scenario on the Leviathan and his victory shows that he was capable of accomplishing great feats even without any external help.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A large of Sith stationed on the Leviathan failed to stop those 3 agents of the Republic from trying to reach the hangers of the Cruiser and suffered heavy casualties in the process. However, when they faced the Dark Lord, despite being in an advantageous position, they lost and one got captured in the end.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malak will be able to defeat the ANH incarnation of Vader in most situations.
I can back this up though: Vader has shown incredible agility- dodging a lightsaber while unarmed, and has awe-inspiring TK feats.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
An aged Yoda was able to tool a bajillion battle droids. Age has very little effect on force users.
However the age factor can make an impact on the performance of the Force Users. The aged Force Users can get tired more quickly than the younger ones and most importantly none have endless supplies of energies to keep them going.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Actually, the cutscene shows that only Revan fought Malak on the Leviathan, and then Bastilla fought him alone. Carth was a non-combatant, and Revan and Bastilla never got to attack him together. So there goes that.
And Carth Onasi wasn't a "non-combatant." He was a skilled soldier and was armed with high-tech weaponry. But the skills of the Dark Lord were too great for him and most others.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Do you have any other proof that Malak was a "Skilled swordsman" or "powerful Force user?"
Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook
Darth Malak is a straightforward lightsaber combatant. True to his character, his abilities and powers focus on attacking his enemies head on. His high Defense and Attack scores enable him take on strong opponents, and he can increase his damage through Sith Rage when desired.
Source: Champions of the Force
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
What advantageous situation? They were shocked and afraid (Bastilla thought they were "no match" for Malak) at his presence, and Revan was reeling from the revelation that Bastilla and the Council had lied to him.
Secondly, Bastilla wasn't afraid in the sense that if she would have to face the Dark Lord, she would surrender without a fight but she asserted that "Revan would be no match for the Dark Lord." However Revan was brave and even after the revelation, managed to give Malak some fight. But the powers of the Dark Lord were such that he never allowed the agents to co-ordinate during the duel and the credit actually goes to him.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I can make baseless assertions too! Vader will be able to defeat the KotOR incarnation of Malak in most situations.I can back this up though: Vader has shown incredible agility- dodging a lightsaber while unarmed, and has awe-inspiring TK feats.
Malak was also a master practitioner of Force Lightning, which is one of the techniques to which Vader is highly vulnerable. He could perform even Chain Lightning attacks. Most importantly, the intensity of his Lightning was such that it could engulf an entire person as he showed by torturing Bastilla Shan. He was strong in the Force and could handle multiple opponents simultaneously, even when they would be Force Users. He was no joke.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Master Yoda was very powerful, as he had a very strong connection with the Force. If Master Kenobi (who according to Master Yoda was no match for the Emperor even when he was at his peak during the events of ROTS) would be as powerful as Yoda, than you would have a point but unfortunately this was not the case.However the age factor can make an impact on the performance of the Force Users. The aged Force Users can get tired more quickly than the younger ones and most importantly none have endless supplies of energies to keep them going.
If you read the fight in Death Star you'll see that Kenobi never stood a chance at winning so i wouldn't call the fight a stalemate. It went something like this: obiwan attacked, vader easily blocked his shots, then vader decided to go on the offensive and after a short while vader felt the energy shift in his favor, from then on the fight only gets worse for obi wan until he died.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude! Malak never let his enemies to attack him with co-ordination. He put two agents (namely: Bastilla Shan and Carth Onasi) on the [b]stasis through the Force and than went one-on-one with the 3rd agent (The famous Revan) and was about to win until Bastilla Shan somehow managed to step in and attacked the Dark Lord. Malak than subdued Bastilla Shan relatively quickly, while the other two agents retreated to their destination.And Carth Onasi wasn't a "non-combatant." He was a skilled soldier and was armed with high-tech weaponry. But the skills of the Dark Lord were too great for him and most others.[/B]
Yes malak was about to win........ against a weaker revan, as for carth all he did was get force pushed and then he get frozen by malak with the force no way you could call that a combatant
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
An imposing figure with ghostly pale features, prominent Sith tattoos, a gleaming red lightsaber, and [b]devastating Dark Side power, Malak struck terror into the hearts of his former allies. He also wore a vocal mask that may have concealed a form of cybernetic life-support.Source: The Dark Side Sourcebook[/B]
Do you really think that malak and his "devastating dark side power"= 80% of the emperor
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Malak is a straightforward lightsaber combatant. [b]True to his character, his abilities and powers focus on attacking his enemies head on. His high Defense and Attack scores enable him take on strong opponents, and he can increase his damage through Sith Rage when desired.Source: Champions of the Force [/B]
excuse me sir but is that last part sounds like it's gameplay, is it?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
First of all, it was a [b]3 vs 1 fighting scenario, so you do the math.Secondly, Bastilla wasn't afraid in the sense that if she would have to face the Dark Lord, she would surrender without a fight but she asserted that "Revan would be no match for the Dark Lord." However Revan was brave and even after the revelation, managed to give Malak some fight. But the powers of the Dark Lord were such that he never allowed the agents to co-ordinate during the duel and the credit actually goes to him. [/B]
Just saw the scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjd0XNsa4A) and while malak was smart for not letting his opponents coordinate he never actually fought 3 vs 1 while vader has fought 2 vs 1, 7 vs 1, and 8 vs 1 (although to be fair he killed only 4 of those 8)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Baseless? I am trying to be open-minded.Malak was also a master practitioner of Force Lightning, which is one of the techniques to which Vader is highly vulnerable. He could perform even Chain Lightning attacks. [b]Most importantly, the intensity of his Lightning was such that it could engulf an entire person as he showed by torturing Bastilla Shan.
He was strong in the Force and could handle multiple opponents simultaneously, even when they would be Force Users. He was no joke. [/B]
In the all out Vader can use his lightsaber to block the lightning.