Itachi and Zabuza vs Deidara and Tsunade

Started by yungz227 pages

Originally posted by Kento
Even if Tsunade is some kind of great fighter (which I still doubt being she's hiding from a person attacking the village she's meant to protect) it doesn't mean she'll win. She'll still be fighting blind, and Zabuza won't be going after somebody else. Zabuza's style is nearly tailor made to fight Tsunade. Make her blind, and cut her head off. She won't really be able to counter that with anything.

Just like Zabuza has nearly no chance if he was to fight Deidara.

you seem to forget that the risk of losing a hokage is a great one and she allso thinks naruto is on his way to handle Pain. I think Tsunade beleives in the ninja of the hidden village enough to defeat pain. Also Tsunade is a medical ninja she can reduce the casualty rate by alot. Why would she go out there when there are capable ninja dealing with the enemy.

Originally posted by Terryc250
.. No i didn't, I said she's atleast above Zabuza, where does it state she's completely taijutsu? Because she punched out Orochimaru? Her fights have been like a couple minutes each, thats not enough to gauge that as her limit, the fact that shes able to use summons already disproves your "she's completely taijutsu" theory.

My point still stands, Gai can use it without it effecting him as much as Lee, Lee moved around with his gates, Gai exerted the Morning Peacock. The thing you don't seem to be understanding is [b]pre-timeskip they were considered equal, post-timeskip Kakashi gains MS, if they're equal in Pre-Timeskip and in Post-timeskip one of them gains a powerful weapon, it would make the one with the powerful weapon above wouldn't it?

Kakashi couldn't do MS in pre-timeskip, and they were considered equal in PRE-TIMESKIP(not post-timeskip). If Gai could speedblitz Kakashi in pre-timeskip, they wouldn't be considered equal now would they? You're still basically saying they're only equal if Gai holds back, which is a bit ridiculous. [/B]

Except summoning is just summoning. It has nothing to do with her fighting style. Her fighting style is taijutsu. Her fighting style is exactly the same as Sakura. The person SHE trained to fight. Cause Kakashi sure didn't train Sakura to fight at all. He left her sitting on the side while he favored Sasuke.

Gai used it for like a couple of seconds. Lee used the first gate for a while then went to the fourth or fifth whichever and used that also. He stayed in it a lot longer than Gai did.

So you're saying that they were ONLY equal if Gai used the gates and that Gai was so far below Kakashi?? Cause that's what it sounds like if they were only equal with Gai using the gates.

Or it could be that Kakashi gained his ultimate move to match Gai's ultimate move.

Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Lee during Lee's fight with Gaara while using the Sharingan, and Gai would be much faster using the gates. So how would Gai Pre-TS NOT be able to blitz Kakashi if he opened the gates? And here's a thought why would Gai even use the gates in a match against Kakashi? And why would they only be equals if Gai has to use a move that could kill him constantly to fight on even terms and not Gai's own ability?

Originally posted by yungz22
you seem to forget that the risk of losing a hokage is a great one and she allso thinks naruto is on his way to handle Pain. I think Tsunade beleives in the ninja of the hidden village enough to defeat pain. Also Tsunade is a medical ninja she can reduce the casualty rate by alot. Why would she go out there when there are capable ninja dealing with the enemy.
The Hokage's job is to PROTECT the village. Not sit back and let weaker people do it for you. And capable ninja..Like Kakashi who is one of the strongest and has just been easily beaten. Or Chouza who was just killed. Or all the other ninja Pein has easily defeated? Sitting back to wait for somebody else isn't the job of a Hokage either. The only acceptable reason to hang back is to wait to find out the truth about Pein then attack. But she looks like she's using most of her chakra to heal instead.

Tsunade is always sitting on her ass, im somewhat inclined to think the Hokages usually just sit on their ass except for the major major threats, like the 9tails. I don't think the 3rd would've even got so involved if it wasn't his former student.

Hokage's are suppose to just sit around doing paper work, and mending alliances with other villages until something big happens..Pein counts as that. When one guy is destroying a whole village it's a big deal. And I think the fact two villages were attacking Konoha that Sarutobi would have gotten involved. Telling people what to do and all that. Tsunade's doing what she does best, healing, and I think the 3rd would do what he does best. Fight.

Originally posted by Kento
Hokage's are suppose to just sit around doing paper work, and mending alliances with other villages until something big happens..Pein counts as that. When one guy is destroying a whole village it's a big deal. And I think the fact two villages were attacking Konoha that Sarutobi would have gotten involved. Telling people what to do and all that. Tsunade's doing what she does best, healing, and I think the 3rd would do what he does best. Fight.

I'm not caught up on the naruto manga, waiting for the anime to catch up more so I don't know whats going on as far as Pein is concerned. but yeah you've got a point with the 3rd.

So what's happening in the anime right now? I know it's the Hidan/Kakuzu arc but I don't know where it's at.

Originally posted by Kento
Except summoning is just summoning. It has nothing to do with her fighting style. Her fighting style is taijutsu. Her fighting style is exactly the same as Sakura. The person SHE trained to fight. Cause Kakashi sure didn't train Sakura to fight at all. He left her sitting on the side while he favored Sasuke.

How isn't summoning part of her fighting style? Summoning is definately part of anyone fighting style, one of Pains bodies is a specialist in summoning, there have been opponents in the past that use alot of summoning in their fighting style. Sakura asked Tsunade to teach her medical, because she felt she was useless, Tsunade basically just taught her medical jutsu. That does not mean that Sakura knows everything Tsunade does. If Tsunade was so useless and could only do medical jutsu and couldn't fight and would get beat by any jounin, they wouldn't have appointed her as Hokage in the first place.


Gai used it for like a couple of seconds. Lee used the first gate for a while then went to the fourth or fifth whichever and used that also. He stayed in it a lot longer than Gai did.

Gai used it for a couple minutes, he chased Kisame around, and then exerted far more power then Lee did.


So you're saying that they were ONLY equal if Gai used the gates and that Gai was so far below Kakashi?? Cause that's what it sounds like if they were only equal with Gai using the gates.

If they are stated equal, then that would mean that if they were to fight eachother at their best, it would be a draw. And at Gai's best he would be opening gates, just like at Kakashi's best he'd be using his sharingan, and jutsus.


Or it could be that Kakashi gained his ultimate move to match Gai's ultimate move.

Then that would mean in pre-timeskip Gai was the superior of the two, because Kakashi didn't have the move to match Gai's ultimate move, which is false, they were said to be EQUAL in pre-timeskip.


Kakashi had trouble keeping up with Lee during Lee's fight with Gaara while using the Sharingan, and Gai would be much faster using the gates. So how would Gai Pre-TS NOT be able to blitz Kakashi if he opened the gates? And here's a thought why would Gai even use the gates in a match against Kakashi? And why would they only be equals if Gai has to use a move that could kill him constantly to fight on even terms and not Gai's own ability? [/B]

Umm no he didn't, he saw the entire thing and even was able to tell when his muscles were snapping. He couldn't blitz Kakashi because he can't, if he could blitz Kakashi then he would make him ABOVE Kakashi, which he isn't.

Same reason why Kakashi would use sharingan if he were to fight Gai, to win. Gai wouldn't kill Kakashi, because Kakashi would figure a way to avoid it, Kakashi is far faster then Genin Sasuke, and Genin Sasuke was able to predict and counter 2-tailed Naruto, Kakashi definately wouldn't get blitz'd and annihilated by gates. If that were true then they wouldn't be "equals"

There's no use being "equals" if one of them has to hold back, their power.

I haven't watched the lastest ep yet but they just had the funeral for Asuma

Originally posted by Terryc250
How isn't summoning part of her fighting style? Summoning is definately part of anyone fighting style, one of Pains bodies is a specialist in summoning, there have been opponents in the past that use alot of summoning in their fighting style. Sakura asked Tsunade to teach her medical, because she felt she was useless, Tsunade basically just taught her medical jutsu. That does not mean that Sakura knows everything Tsunade does. If Tsunade was so useless and could only do medical jutsu and couldn't fight and would get beat by any jounin, they wouldn't have appointed her as Hokage in the first place.

Gai used it for a couple minutes, he chased Kisame around, and then exerted far more power then Lee did.

If they are stated equal, then that would mean that if they were to fight eachother at their best, it would be a draw. And at Gai's best he would be opening gates, just like at Kakashi's best he'd be using his sharingan, and jutsus.

Then that would mean in pre-timeskip Gai was the superior of the two, because Kakashi didn't have the move to match Gai's ultimate move, which is false, they were said to be [b]EQUAL in pre-timeskip.

Umm no he didn't, he saw the entire thing and even was able to tell when his muscles were snapping. He couldn't blitz Kakashi because he can't, if he could blitz Kakashi then he would make him ABOVE Kakashi, which he isn't.

Same reason why Kakashi would use sharingan if he were to fight Gai, to win. Gai wouldn't kill Kakashi, because Kakashi would figure a way to avoid it, Kakashi is far faster then Genin Sasuke, and Genin Sasuke was able to predict and counter 2-tailed Naruto, Kakashi definately wouldn't get blitz'd and annihilated by gates. If that were true then they wouldn't be "equals"

There's no use being "equals" if one of them has to hold back, their power. [/B]

Except for Tsunade taught her more than just medical ninjutsu. Obviously with the whole super strength thing, and Sakura remembering Tsunade teaching her that a medical ninja needs to have good reflexes so she doesn't get hit. And who knows how many time Tsunade has hit her while Sakura learned to dodge Tsunade's punches. And the same way Naruto can summon but it's not part of his fighting style. Jiraiya's fighting style involves summoning, one of Pein's bodies fighting style is summoning. Tsunade has summoned twice. Once Katsuya because Manda and Gamabunta was summoned, and just now to heal the village. Her fighting style isn't summoning it's taijutsu.

The didn't really appoint her..Jiraiya did. And she's the most skilled Medical Ninja, and respected because of it and because she's a sannin. Why wouldn't they put somebody like that in charge?

I don't remember Gai using it for that long of a time.

No Gai's best would be what he can accomplish under his own power. The Gates aren't his own power but something to unlock greater power but at a price. And when Lee's muscles snap Lee isn't exactly moving around at high speeds anymore. Which is still moot because Lee used the gates, without any real experience at using them, longer than Gai did. Gai's also a lot tougher than Lee so he could take the punishment it puts on the body better.

It's not holding back. Gai's own power isn't the gates. So you're trying to say that Gai is so weak he needs to use to gates to be on Kakashi's level pre-TS? And that Gai always uses the gates when they fight in a one-on-one friendly match?

Originally posted by Kento
Except for Tsunade taught her more than just medical ninjutsu. Obviously with the whole super strength thing, and Sakura remembering Tsunade teaching her that a medical ninja needs to have good reflexes so she doesn't get hit. And who knows how many time Tsunade has hit her while Sakura learned to dodge Tsunade's punches. And the same way Naruto can summon but it's not part of his fighting style. Jiraiya's fighting style involves summoning, one of Pein's bodies fighting style is summoning. Tsunade has summoned twice. Once Katsuya because Manda and Gamabunta was summoned, and just now to heal the village. Her fighting style isn't summoning it's taijutsu.

Which seems to be about it, Jiraiya trained Naruto for 3 years, but we don't see any new Ninjutsus or him using any genjutsus. Jiraiya is obviously capable of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, swap of the underworld, etc, all those things, thats why the whole "since we don't see Sakura using anything, that means Tsunade is incapable of those things as well" is fallacy. We've only seen Tsunade fight like twice, for about a minute or two a piece, which like i've said, isn't enough to gauge that Tsunade is only capable of that.

The didn't really appoint her..Jiraiya did. And she's the most skilled Medical Ninja, and respected because of it and because she's a sannin. Why wouldn't they put somebody like that in charge?

The entire village agreed obviously, or she wouldn't be up there.


I don't remember Gai using it for that long of a time.

He used it for a couple minutes atleast, although if you're going by the anime, alot of it wasn't shown on him, it was shown on Neji, Lee, but thats still after Gai released his gates.


No Gai's best would be what he can accomplish under his own power. The Gates aren't his own power but something to unlock greater power but at a price. And when Lee's muscles snap Lee isn't exactly moving around at high speeds anymore. Which is still moot because Lee used the gates, without any real experience at using them, longer than Gai did. Gai's also a lot tougher than Lee so he could take the punishment it puts on the body better.

The gates are his own power, it takes skill to learn how to open the gates, like Kakashi said when he saw Lee open his gates he said it wasn't just hardwork, that boy really is a genius. Gai opens his gates when he fights seriously. Lee's muscles snaps in mid-air while he was blitzing Gaara, no where did it say Kakashi couldn't keep up, or did it even suggest that, all the jounins clearly saw it, only some of the genins weren't able to keep up.


It's not holding back. Gai's own power isn't the gates. So you're trying to say that Gai is so weak he needs to use to gates to be on Kakashi's level pre-TS? And that Gai always uses the gates when they fight in a one-on-one friendly match?

Gai's Gates are just as much his power as Sharingan is Kakashi's. I'm not trying to say he's weak wtf are you talking about? Gai needs to open his gates, and Kakashi needs to use his sharingan, both are eachothers power, just because Gai opens his gates it makes him no weaker then Kakashi using his sharingan. They probably never even had a match before, they probably just seen what eachother are capable of, and Gai called him his equal thats it. But if they ARE equal, then that would mean they are equal when they are both fighting seriously, not holding back.

Originally posted by Kento
Which Tsunade doesn't have..So your point?

Move out of the way while being blind by the mist so she won't know where it is. That makes a whole lot of sense. And speedblitz..like she did to Kabuto?

She can summon Katsuya and she will disperse her body to find Zabuza.

Easy enough, she speedblitzes Zabuza and socks him to death before he can even use his hidden mist jutsu. Zabuza isn't fast enough to get out of the way, and Tsunade never speed blitzed Kabuto.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And Kakashi at that point would beat Tsunade too, by feats.

Punching the ground? And while doing that, he just uses his speed and sword to decapitate her.

No PIS involved, Zabuza decapitates her start of battle ftw.

By feats, Kakashi, by skill, Tsunade in a stomp.

He would lose the close up battle against Tsunade. He can't get near her, unless he wants to get his head punched off. She would grab that sword, and use it for herself.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Which seems to be about it, Jiraiya trained Naruto for 3 years, but we don't see any new Ninjutsus or him using any genjutsus. Jiraiya is obviously capable of Ninjutsu and Genjutsu, swap of the underworld, etc, all those things, thats why the whole "since we don't see Sakura using anything, that means Tsunade is incapable of those things as well" is fallacy. We've only seen Tsunade fight like twice, for about a minute or two a piece, which like i've said, isn't enough to gauge that Tsunade is only capable of that.

The entire village agreed obviously, or she wouldn't be up there.

He used it for a couple minutes atleast, although if you're going by the anime, alot of it wasn't shown on him, it was shown on Neji, Lee, but thats still after Gai released his gates.

The gates are his own power, it takes skill to learn how to open the gates, like Kakashi said when he saw Lee open his gates he said it wasn't just hardwork, that boy really is a genius. Gai opens his gates when he fights seriously. Lee's muscles snaps in mid-air while he was blitzing Gaara, no where did it say Kakashi couldn't keep up, or did it even suggest that, all the jounins clearly saw it, only some of the genins weren't able to keep up.

Gai's Gates are just as much his power as Sharingan is Kakashi's. I'm not trying to say he's weak wtf are you talking about? Gai needs to open his gates, and Kakashi needs to use his sharingan, both are eachothers power, just because Gai opens his gates it makes him no weaker then Kakashi using his sharingan. They probably never even had a match before, they probably just seen what eachother are capable of, and Gai called him his equal thats it. But if they ARE equal, then that would mean they are equal when they are both fighting seriously, not holding back.

Jiraiya CAN'T use genjutsu unless he's in Hermit Mode and has Pa and Ma Toad to do it. Also Jiraiya taught Naruto Rasengan because he knew Naruto is to stupid to remember handseals. Sakura is a completely different story. Not to mention we've not seen Jiraiya do much before his fight with Pein but we know he can do more than taijutsu. Tsunade's HUGE fight and all we saw was taijutsu, healing, and summoning. If she could do more I bet she would have against Oro.

She's a respected Sannin..and no the entire village doesn't agree.

http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.12/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.13/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.14/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.15/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.16/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.17/

That is all it shows. It wasn't minutes.

Okay I was wrong. But Kakashi was surprised by how fast he was. And the only two Jounin are Kakashi and Gai. Gai a speedster himself, and Kakashi with the sharingan. The only other person it showed that had no trouble seeing Lee was Neji. And Gai, and Kakashi both reference it as a double-edge sword that isn't meant to be used lightly. Why would Gai use it on Kakashi when he's in no serious trouble? Prove Gai is only Kakashi's equal by doing a move that puts strain on his body, and gives him more power than he has by a great amount.

The Gates are a move used in dire situations. Like MS for Kakashi. And if Gai NEEDS the gates to fight Kakashi then you are calling him extremely weak. After all the gates increase somebodies power greatly and Gai would be nothing to Kakashi if Gai needed to gates to fight evenly.

Originally posted by Wil7
She can summon Katsuya and she will disperse her body to find Zabuza.

Easy enough, she speedblitzes Zabuza and socks him to death before he can even use his hidden mist jutsu. Zabuza isn't fast enough to get out of the way, and Tsunade never speed blitzed Kabuto.

By feats, Kakashi, by skill, Tsunade in a stomp.

He would lose the close up battle against Tsunade. He can't get near her, unless he wants to get his head punched off. She would grab that sword, and use it for herself.

So she's going to summon faster than Zabuza can cut her head off now? And Katsuya will still be unable to see through the Mist.

That was the point. Who has she ever speedblitzed anybody. Kabuto, and Kakashi are said to be equals, and Zabuza is up there with both of them, and she had trouble against Kabuto who himself hasn't shown much fighting skill.

Skill..Like all the skill Tsunade has shown outside of Medical Ninjutsu..Oh yea that's right she hasn't.

Grab a sword she can't see...I didn't know she had some hax jutsu to see through mist.

gai is equal to kakashi overall without gates, after all gate opening is forbidden.

kakashi excels in ninjutsu whereas gai excels in taijutsu with speed being the equalizer, also kakashi's chackra researve isn't that great so gai using taijutsu primarily saves lots of chackra for him in the long run. gai even knows how to combat the sharingan genjutsu in mid-battle.

kakashi is more cunning, this helps since his low chackra can be used properly, but in gai's case, his speed will land more potential hits.

they are pretty even.

Originally posted by Wil7
By feats, Kakashi, by skill, Tsunade in a stomp.

He would lose the close up battle against Tsunade. He can't get near her, unless he wants to get his head punched off. She would grab that sword, and use it for herself.

Skill? Lol, WHAT skill? Tsunade is a brawler, she throws random jabs and haymakers to bludgeon her opponent. That's it.

Considering Zabuza is much faster, how will Tsunade go about doing this before her pretty little head hits the pavement?

Grab the sword? Not likely, too slow.

Originally posted by Kento
Hokage's are suppose to just sit around doing paper work, and mending alliances with other villages until something big happens..Pein counts as that. When one guy is destroying a whole village it's a big deal. And I think the fact two villages were attacking Konoha that Sarutobi would have gotten involved. Telling people what to do and all that. Tsunade's doing what she does best, healing, and I think the 3rd would do what he does best. Fight.

The 3rd was actually forced to join the fight. He was locked in that prism with oro

Originally posted by yungz22
The 3rd was actually forced to join the fight. He was locked in that prism with oro
And what does that do with me thinking he'd fight anyway instead of hide away?

Originally posted by Kento
And what does that do with me thinking he'd fight anyway instead of hide away?

idk

Originally posted by Kento
[B]Jiraiya CAN'T use genjutsu unless he's in Hermit Mode and has Pa and Ma Toad to do it. Also Jiraiya taught Naruto Rasengan because he knew Naruto is to stupid to remember handseals. Sakura is a completely different story. Not to mention we've not seen Jiraiya do much before his fight with Pein but we know he can do more than taijutsu. Tsunade's HUGE fight and all we saw was taijutsu, healing, and summoning. If she could do more I bet she would have against Oro.

When was it stated he can't remember hand seals? Tsunade never had a huge fight what are you talking about? If you're talking about her fight with Orochimaru it was about a minute, and cannot be considered a "huge" fight like Pein vs Jiraiya, all that happened in her fight was they summoned, she took out Manda, then gave Orochimaru a punch, and the fight was over. That's hardly enough of a "huge" fight to gauge that as her limit. We saw alot more of Jiraiya (before his fight with Pein) then of Tsunade. Naruto is capable of learning just about anything if he puts his mind to it, however in the 3 years of him training with Jiraiya we've not seen him learn any Ninjutsu, does that mean Jiraiya isn't capable of any Ninjutsu? No.


She's a respected Sannin..and no the entire village doesn't agree.

Who besides Danzou doesn't agree? The elders agreed to make Tsunade the Hokage if Jiraiya found her, all the genins parents praise her and talk about how great she is, so who else doesn't agree?


http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.12/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.13/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.14/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.15/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.16/
http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/8/naruto/chapter.11811/page.17/

That is all it shows. It wasn't minutes.


7 pages very well could be a couple minutes, in the anime it was.


Okay I was wrong. But Kakashi was surprised by how fast he was. And the only two Jounin are Kakashi and Gai. Gai a speedster himself, and Kakashi with the sharingan. The only other person it showed that had no trouble seeing Lee was Neji. And Gai, and Kakashi both reference it as a double-edge sword that isn't meant to be used lightly. Why would Gai use it on Kakashi when he's in no serious trouble? Prove Gai is only Kakashi's equal by doing a move that puts strain on his body, and gives him more power than he has by a great amount.

Lee was a genin, obviously he'd be surprised, he had the exact same surprised expression when Sasuke used Katon jutsu. If they're stated equal that means they are equal at the best of their abilities. You really think that Gai just using his taijutsu is a match for Kakashi and all his versatility and brains? He'd definately have to open some gates if he were to seriously fight Kakashi.

Like i've said before, they probably never even have fought, but have only seen eachothers great abilities in combat, and just made that assumption.


The Gates are a move used in dire situations. Like MS for Kakashi. And if Gai NEEDS the gates to fight Kakashi then you are calling him extremely weak. After all the gates increase somebodies power greatly and Gai would be nothing to Kakashi if Gai needed to gates to fight evenly.

Gai's gates are just as cheap as Kakashi's sharingan, if Gai is "weak" for using gates, Kakashi is "weak for using his sharingan.

Originally posted by Terryc250
When was it stated he can't remember hand seals? Tsunade never had a huge fight what are you talking about? If you're talking about her fight with Orochimaru it was about a minute, and cannot be considered a "huge" fight like Pein vs Jiraiya, all that happened in her fight was they summoned, she took out Manda, then gave Orochimaru a punch, and the fight was over. That's hardly enough of a "huge" fight to gauge that as her limit. We saw alot more of Jiraiya (before his fight with Pein) then of Tsunade. Naruto is capable of learning just about anything if he puts his mind to it, however in the 3 years of him training with Jiraiya we've not seen him learn any Ninjutsu, does that mean Jiraiya isn't capable of any Ninjutsu? No.

Who besides Danzou doesn't agree? The elders agreed to make Tsunade the Hokage if Jiraiya found her, all the genins parents praise her and talk about how great she is, so who else doesn't agree?

7 pages very well could be a couple minutes, in the anime it was.

Lee was a genin, obviously he'd be surprised, he had the exact same surprised expression when Sasuke used Katon jutsu. If they're stated equal that means they are equal at the best of their abilities. You really think that Gai just using his taijutsu is a match for Kakashi and all his versatility and brains? He'd definately have to open some gates if he were to seriously fight Kakashi.

Like i've said before, they probably never even have fought, but have only seen eachothers great abilities in combat, and just made that assumption.

Gai's gates are just as cheap as Kakashi's sharingan, if Gai is "weak" for using gates, Kakashi is "weak for using his sharingan.

It was the main reason Jiraiya taught it to him. Because there isn't any handseals involved..And Naruto is an idiot. Do you really think he'd remember ten different handseals just to do one move? Along with five others to do another move? Besides Naruto is a taijutsu fighter for the most part. And yea..he did learn a new ninjutsu. We just haven't seen it yet. It's been kept secret.

She fought Kabuto first..and he was able to dodge her. And while even in that fight Jiraiya uses some ninjutsu all we see Tsunade use is strength, and medical jutsu. Besides using a useless summon.

I seriously doubt the people following Danzou agree with Tsunade. And she's a RESPECTED Sannin. Of course the genin's parents would praise her and want her part. Does this make her strong? No it doesn't. It makes her have a title, that she got by doing nothing but living through a war, that everybody knows and respects.

Two of the pages is him powering it up, and it really takes a couple of minutes to dodge a blow, and counter..And it still doesn't change the fact that Lee was in it a lot longer.

Because Kakashi being versatile in jutsu suddenly means Gai can't be his equal when Gai is strictly taijutsu how? And they have fought. Not every win/loss Gai and Kakashi have is fighting but I'd wager all the times Kakashi doesn't win rock, paper, scissors it is Gai challenging Kakashi to a battle.

You're mistaking what I'm saying. If Gai has to use the gates to fight evenly with Kakashi then you are calling him weak if he isn't using the gates at all. Not he's weak because he uses the gates. And you still haven't give a good reason why Gai would use a double-edged move in a friendly fight. What would be the point in using a move that can damage your body against an opponent that isn't going to try to kill you? It's a desperation move not some I'm bored let me use it type of move. Exactly like Kamui is with Kakashi. They don't use them lightly because it's dangerous.