Common Sense: A Revolutionary Idea

Would there be a revolution, if every American saw this? The time is now.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21200.htm

After watching it I agree, there are some worrying encroachments on civil liberties...but owell.

Thread gonna get closed for being a conspiracy thing.

where is the conspiracy though? there isnt one

and if a mod closes this then he is retarded and should be stripped of his modding dutys.

the conspiracy that there are people out there removing our human rights?

Or is it not a conspiracy?

the point is that there is a huge loss of civil libertys. and more will be lost.

the discusion i want is whether giving up freedom for security is the right move to make.

benjamin franklin said 'those who give up liberty for security deserve neither'

Originally posted by Deano
the point is that there is a huge loss of civil libertys. and more will be lost.

the discusion i want is whether giving up freedom for security is the right move to make.

benjamin franklin said 'those who give up liberty for security deserve neither'

Actually, (and I'm gonna sound like a dick here) Ben Franklin said: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Then he proceeded to say so many different variations of this main theme that no one know the original quote. My favorite permutation is "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." because that is how it appears in Civ4.

Also, why is every bad thing considered a conspiracy. It's not like some back-room meeting decided that "this week we're going to oppress the [insert minority group here]. Not everything is done with malicious intent in a coordinated effort.

not everything..but most

Originally posted by lord xyz
Thread gonna get closed for being a conspiracy thing.

It shouldn't be closed for conspiracy. Our rights are being stifled, but quietly. The first amendment is being trampled on. The Amero thread was closed for conspiracy but that has become a very relevant issue.

Even if this were true it wouldn't cause a revolution and I don't intent to take it awfully seriously since it starts off by insulting the person watching and Deano posted it.

Most of this is because it is the time of the apathetic generation. We don't nearly work to challenge the government in unison as our mothers and fathers did.

The John Adams bit at the end was a bit much. Also, Olbermann sucks.
Right message, though.

can anyone here post one example of them being directly affected by this "errosion of civil liberties"

anyone actually give an example of their house being broken into by the FBI?...anyone actually been shouted at by a CCTV camera?....

anything other than having to wait longer at airports?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Actually, (and I'm gonna sound like a dick here) Ben Franklin said: ...no one know the original quote.

Originally posted by jaden101
can anyone here post one example of them being directly affected by this "errosion of civil liberties"

Is that really fair? I think all of us could cite numerous news sources that show people having their rights abused. That a small sample of people haven't been abused does not mean rights are not being eroded.

Originally posted by jaden101
anyone actually give an example of their house being broken into by the FBI?

I forget how many, but there are a certain number of people each year killed by the police during home raids. Some of these were performed on the wrong addresses, and the occupant was killed defending their home from people they may not have necessarily known were police.

I don't know if it is becoming any more prevalent, which the "erosion" seems to assume, but there certainly are abuses.

Originally posted by jaden101
anything other than having to wait longer at airports?

ok, BUT, they were a ***** in the first place

actually, after watching the video, I don't think it is that bad, or conspiratorial at all.

Would anyone argue that over the last 8 years, executive power in the American government hasn't grown to unprecedented levels?

Like, the idea of a revolution is silly, but there certainly are problems that Americans need to deal with regarding civil liberties.

Is that really fair? I think all of us could cite numerous news sources that show people having their rights abused. That a small sample of people haven't been abused does not mean rights are not being eroded.

i think it's far more the case that it's the small number of people whom news laws have been used on rather than a small number of people who they haven't....and in almost every case these people have been part of an investigation for a specific reason...it's not as if the authorities are randomly picking people and using laws against them

granted you hear bizarre stories about how anti terror laws are being used to make sure people are separating their rubbish into the appropriate recycling bins and if they aren't then they are prosecuted...but one thing i've noticed is that i've never heard of a single incident where it's actually happened...it's just news stations saying it COULD happen

I forget how many, but there are a certain number of people each year killed by the police during home raids. Some of these were performed on the wrong addresses, and the occupant was killed defending their home from people they may not have necessarily known were police.

that's an entirely different thing altogether though...the video is saying that people are having their houses broken into by the FBI who are faking robberies in order to plant bugs in peoples houses...any you know of heard about this actually happening to?

Originally posted by jaden101
can anyone here post one example of them being directly affected by this "errosion of civil liberties"

anyone actually give an example of their house being broken into by the FBI?...anyone actually been shouted at by a CCTV camera?....

Ever hear of the incident at "Ruby Ridge" look it up.

And Yes there is a conspiracy! A hand full of men controlling the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

I implore everyone to watch all 5 parts.

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Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Ever hear of the incident at "Ruby Ridge" look it up.

And Yes there is a conspiracy! A hand full of men controlling the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

I implore everyone to watch all 5 parts.

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The music is annoying and probably part of a hypnosis scheme by the true masters of the world.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The music is annoying and probably part of a hypnosis scheme by the true masters of the world.

The music is annoying but what is being said is truth and Very Scary.
The "World Bankers" are in control of Governments and Economies and every thing Militarily that's happening around the globe.

I am actually kind of surprised that you would not recommend it.

Will not happen to every single American.

Truth is a some US citizens have abusd the privileged liberties, imposing themselves in prominent positions and excerting pressure onto weaker governments, and public figures in other countries as well as within the US.

Those that will be curbed are those that will deserve to be watched.

I don’t see the FBI breaking in my house and planting a bug behind my toilet to listen to me farting and taking a crap.

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btw, is that Paul Giammati?