you realize spiderman was once nearly as strong as thing, right?
or SS was ko'ed by a crowbar by mexicans..
the 6 to early 80's were full of such moments..
i dont really care for drac's strength and ppl can proof it to be 100 tonner lvl but the discrepancy between bio's and feats are to vastly set apart to take drac's strength legitimately...
no more then arguing for Spidey being a 100 tonner...
I'm not really sure what you're referring to with the first example but it doesn't really matter.
Dracula from what I've read is a herald level villain. I'm not using bios here as evidence. So far you haven't actually presented any concrete proof.
If you care to list examples of Dracula performing at a significantly less level than the two appearances I read, then I will make a distinction between a day to day Dracula, and a high end Dracula or something similar.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The last two posts read like you guys trying to explain away his showings because the two of you didn't like it. Particularly the last one.I've only read two of Dracula's appearances. The one in the X-men and his appearance in Thor. He seemed consistently formidable.
Course maybe the two are outside his norm. *Shrug*
Blade consistently hangs with him. Can you imagin how that be possible if he was a match for thor, and the x-men consistently? how could Blade even sword fight him?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Leta put it this way, his rival is Blade............Blade consistently hangs with him. Can you imagin how that be possible if he was a match for thor, and the x-men consistently? how could Blade even sword fight him?
Technically that doesn't mean much. I'd consider Superman's rival Lex Luthor. Just saying.
If he consistently gets matched by Blade physically than Dracula must fluctuate greatly. And by match, I mean he is actively trying to defeat Blade and failing. Not Dracula toying with him.
I believe Dracula also had a good showing against Strange back in the day but I can't remember the specifics. Perhaps in the Strange Tales series. I guess he fluctuates from herald level to low meta.
Conclusion: High end Dracula beats Sabertooth's face in. The one that gets matched by Blade would be a much closer fight.
Edit: Ninjak maybe think of a noteworthy point. Against Thor he had drank the blood of a goddess -Sif- making him more powerful than he ever was previously. Perhaps some type of similar circumstances took place against Strange and the X-men. I.e. good blood = massive power boost.
Originally posted by King Castle
not sure what comics narration and statement says's about Drac, i just know that bio's have him being in the 4 ton range.... and only has about three circumstances with old school comics making him appear to be stronger then that..
Well speaking of bios, his most up to date bio on Marvel.com:
http://marvel.com/characters/bio/1010677/dracula
has him as a 7 out of 7 for everything. I don't know what to believe as I don't really follow Marvel Dracula.
I was even thinking of making a Dracula vs Sauron thread as I thought it would be a nice even match up powerwise, but it seems Drac's current tier is just not decisively cemented, so I thought against it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Technically that doesn't mean much. I'd consider Superman's rival Lex Luthor. Just saying.If he consistently gets matched by Blade physically than Dracula must fluctuate greatly. And by match, I mean he is actively trying to defeat Blade and failing. Not Dracula toying with him.
I believe Dracula also had a good showing against Strange back in the day but I can't be too be sure. I guess he fluctuates from herald level to low meta.
Yes he seem to be match physically by Blade in there confrontations, and according to the Blade fanboys Drac does not hold back against Blade.
You might be thinking of Silver Surfer. Yea I think he fluxuates between herald level and low meta. pretty much seems to depend on his opponents power levels. So really one much decide if they believe he beeing written down when he fights people like Blade or if he being written up when he fights x-men, thor ect.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganForgot about Surfer. It was in the Tomb of Dracula series I think. I recall him doing pretty well and even getting the jump on Norrin.
trueYes he seem to be match physically by Blade in there confrontations, and according to the Blade fanboys Drac does not hold back against Blade.
You might be thinking of Silver Surfer. Yea I think he fluxuates between herald level and low meta. pretty much seems to depend on his opponents power levels. So really one much decide if they believe he beeing written down when he fights people like Blade or if he being written up when he fights x-men, thor ect.
I'm pretty certain he had a battle against Strange as well though. More that once now that I think about it. Both battles that I know off were either in the second or third Doctor Strange series (Not Strange Tales my bad.) He held his own as well pretty good in at least one of them.