Amazo Vs The Fury

Originally posted by Utrigita
Just thought that it worked that way, you know strength Durability etc combined while all the other features like energy blast, telepathy, heat vision, firestorms abilities and Captain Atoms could be mixed as he wanted since they are more defining powers while strength and durability for instance would be mixed since they isn't so defining.

It doesn't. He doesn't have Flash's speed combined with Superman's speed combined with WW's speed, etc. Why would he have their combined durability?

Because I thought that he gained the main powerset, so for instance Strength speed and Durability is the main powerset of Superman (along with superbreath etc), but powergirl for instance have the same powerset so he would get hers too, while Flash for instance "only" got his speed so he gets that, I then thought that the physical abilities would fuse together unlike the more "out of body" attacks like Heat Vision and energy blasts that he can apply individually ore combine into one if he so chooses.

But if I have understood it wrong I would like to apoligize I just find it strange that Amazo switches from one persons durability to the next persons durability.

huh ? if he could use only 1 stolen power at a time then he'd be the EASIEST thing to defeat

for example if he's superspeeding then supe could just speed along & zap with with heat vision or break him in two with his bare hands (since amazo wouldn't have invulnerability or strength while speeding) etc.

Originally posted by Utrigita

That would be a matter of perspective.

If the CN, which nullifies time/space/matter could not even scratch Fury,
to suggest that crossing silly Universal barriers would damage Fury
is kinda funny good friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita

And that is imo unlikely that fury encounters something
that is more destructive then the nullifing energies
and that it takes damage from that,
hence the only thing I can find that could possibly damage Fury
is the crossing from one universe to the next.

What is stated/depicted on panel is that Fury's journey damaged it,
nothing more.

I have tons of scans of characters far less durable crossing barriers like nothing,
that idea isn't even a possibility, not in my opinion, but in fact.

Fury was traveling across entire UniverseSSS,
it could've been bombarded constantly with who knows what,
it may have encountered alien space armadas with advanced tech that also attacked it,
(heck, the Kree has weapons that can cause an event horizon)
it may have bumped into wandering cosmics who also got their licks in,
this, plus being exposed to the elements of space, countless variations,
consistently being showered by black holes, gamma bursts, super novas, galaxy collisions,
or perhaps the death of other UniverseS, and on and on ...
makes for one nasty soup of bashing.

Bottom line is though, we'll simply never know exactly what it was,
but we can be sure it wasn't crossing barriers.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I have discussed this point with you before but their is no reason to begin again.

Originally posted by Utrigita

No Actually I'm not I haven't seen Fury hurt a being with the combined Durability of the entire JLA, I have seen him hurt Jaspers in their first encounter reducing him to a skeleton but for all we know Jaspers durability could still be around human at that point.

That's utterly incorrect.

Jaspers was within his warp,
which he had transformed the 616 Universe into his playground.

In fact, he was God in that instance:

"He is lonely, but he is also GOD"

Then Fury pops up and with one blast turns him into a skeleton.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Then I'm sure that you two can easily post scans of Fury dealing that amount of damage

that would be capable of downing a being with the durability of the JLA

The Fury scorching matrix/Merlyn's hands with a single blast!

Scorched!

So badly that Roma herself had to tend to his fried palms:

Originally posted by Utrigita

I mean you surely must have since you both find it so laughable.

Fury FTW

Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't know about them, but I can. 🙂 (we already know about 616 Jaspers but here's another)

The Fury scorching matrix/Merlyn's hands with a single blast!

...

so basically if Fury hadn't been distracted by Captain Brit then his second shot would've completely destroyed Merlyn's hands maybe even fried Merlyn himself (PLUS it would've killed Captain UK) 😎

PS. also we know Merlyn is one of the cosmic entities in the "pantheon" (or whatever they call it) where reside LT, Eternity Death Oblivion & Infinity - but who else is there ? 😕 (or is that it ? they say Galactus sometimes convenes with them but he's not one f them since he needs to feed, so he ain't no god)

Some times Stranger is there and master order, chaos, hate, and mistress love.. I think don't take my word on that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then I'm sure that you two can easily post scans of Fury dealing that amount of damage that would be capable of downing a being with the durability of the JLA, I mean you surely must have since you both find it so laughable.

You mean being warped to the nth degree and no dying doesn't count? How about universal nullification?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You mean being warped to the nth degree and no dying doesn't count? How about universal nullification?

You misunderstood my question. What have fury done that leads you to believe that he could down Amazo?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Or a matter of simple logic.

If the CN, which nullifies time/space/matter could not even scratch Fury,
to suggest that crossing silly Universal barriers would damage Fury
is kinda funny good friend.

And if the CN couldn't scratch Fury it's kind of silly to suggest that pretty much everything else could damage it...

Originally posted by Mr Master
That certainly is your opinion. (btw, 238 reality is not next door to 616)
The fact remains that no where on panel or in Fury's bio
does it even allude to any Universal barriers doing anything to Fury.

I have never seen travel from one universe to the next as a door to door but rather quickly, for instance if I take the battle with Fury and Jaspers with their battle across the universes it doesn't take 378 panels to get from 616 to 238.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What [b]is stated/depicted on panel is that Fury's journey damaged it,
nothing more.[/B]

And that thought alone is imo silly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I have tons of scans of characters far less durable crossing barriers like nothing,
that idea isn't even a possibility, not in my opinion, but in fact.

I'm fully aware of that and I have beings taking pretty much all of that you mention below without problem which would get instantly obliterated by nullification.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fury was traveling across entire UniverseSSS,
it could've been bombarded constantly with who knows what,
it may have encountered alien space armadas with advanced tech that also attacked it,
(heck, the Kree has weapons that can cause an event horizon)
it may have bumped into wandering cosmics who also got their licks in,
this, plus being exposed to the elements of space, countless variations,
consistently being showered by black holes, gamma bursts, super novas, galaxy collisions,
or perhaps the death of other UniverseS, and on and on ...
makes for one nasty soup of bashing.

Bottom line is though, we'll simply never know exactly what it was,
but we can be sure it wasn't crossing barriers.

The problem is Master that all that isn't near the damage of nullification of a entire universe, added with the fact that Fury recoveres relative quickly from damage received none of that should have left it in it's condition it was when it arrived. Also could I see the scan where it arrives to earth and kills the homeless women?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Cool, just didn't want anyone being mislead.

OKay.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really, where on panel or in any bio does it claim Jaspers had the durability of a human?

That's utterly incorrect.

Jaspers was within his warp,
which he had transformed the 616 Universe into his playground.

In fact, he was God in that instance:

"He is lonely, but he is also GOD"

Then Fury pops up and with one blast turns him into a skeleton.

Really where does it claim that he has the durability of a God? Captain Britain got blasted from behind by fury in 238 and he wasn't in any way reduced to a skeleton. The thought that because Jaspers in his own warp become God his Durability increased accordingly when we have seen that Fury's blast fails to reduce Captain Britain to Skeleton well...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't know about them, but I can. 🙂 (we already know about 616 Jaspers but here's another)

The Fury scorching matrix/Merlyn's hands with a single blast!

Scorched!

So badly that Roma herself had to tend to his fried palms:

Ut, I love ya true debater, but that is kinda funny.

Care to explain why this is a good feat, considering that recently Merlyn was if I recall correct killed with a Sword?

Originally posted by Utrigita

And if the CN couldn't scratch Fury
it's kind of silly to suggest that pretty much everything else could damage it...

But crossing barriers? Heck no!

Originally posted by Utrigita

I have never seen travel from one universe to the next as a door to door but rather quickly, for instance if I take the battle with Fury and Jaspers with their battle across the universes it doesn't take 378 panels to get from 616 to 238.

Fury couldn't teleport when it left 238, (unlike when it fought 616 Jaspers)
so it had to travel the old fashion way, through distance and time.

I'm 100% positive this is why Fury was damaged,
I mean, we're talking about a journey of an incredible distance, (across UniverseSSS)
with countless cosmic obstacles in it's way.

Originally posted by Utrigita

And that thought alone is imo silly.

Give Alan Moore a call and let em know,
cause that's exactly what he wrote On Panel,
word for word.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I'm fully aware of that and I have beings taking pretty much all of that you mention below without problem which would get instantly obliterated by nullification.

UniverseS Ut, several of those UniverseS might've been collapsing,
(in Marvel UniverseS are dying and being re-born on a constant basis)
others might've contained Universal powers that attacked Fury,
others might've contained advance civilations that possess weapons that can crack space-time,
Fury might've bumbed into cosmic hierarchal beings,
seriously, the possibilities are endless.

Without any materials to regenerate,
after that immense journey,
even the Fury at some point would've started to feel the effects.

You feel me?

Originally posted by Utrigita

The problem is Master that all that isn't near the damage of nullification of a entire universe, added with the fact that Fury recoveres relative quickly from damage received none of that should have left it in it's condition it was when it arrived.

It was the journey itself as Alan Moore clearly pointed out.

Something, or a combination of many things (a mystery to us)
in that journey, damaged the Fury.

Unfortunately, we'll never know,
but we must agree, whatever it was,
it was of greater affect than the CN,
perhaps not on it's own, but perhaps as a culmination of various bombardments.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Also could I see the scan where it arrives to earth and kills the homeless women?

Tomorrow I'll post what you're searching for.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Really where does it claim that he has the durability of a God? Captain Britain got blasted from behind by fury in 238 and he wasn't in any way reduced to a skeleton. The thought that because Jaspers in his own warp become God his Durability increased accordingly when we have seen that Fury's blast fails to reduce Captain Britain to Skeleton well...

When CB was blasted (once) by Fury,
he was'nt turned into a skeleton,
but he was disintegrated minus a single bone that was left over.

Roma re-created Brian out of that one bone.

Originally posted by Utrigita

Care to explain why this is a good feat,

considering that recently Merlyn was if I recall correct killed with a Sword?

Second, that's matrix/Merlyn who got his hands scorched,
and I'm sure you know what kind of power he had while merged to the omniversal Energy Matrix.

I'm still not sure if Merlyn is connected to the Energy Matrix anymore,
there's an Excalibur issue where the Tower that allowed his connection was destroyed,
but then at the end of the Excalibur run the arc alludes to that being not exactly true,
but then he gets owned by Psylock hand to hand in 2007, 😂
yet can withstand/survive a direct blast from 616 Jaspers
that blows a hole through his chest in the same 2007 arc. 😐

Until further notice, continuity was twisted somewhat in that last Jaspers arc,
in 2007's ... 'Die by the Sword' ...
meh, at-least Jaspers still had the power to destroy the Omniverse. 🙂

About the CN Mr. Master, people are saying that the Fury needs to receive an attack before evolving to resist it. If that's true, how could he evolve past nullification? As receiving nullification would have destroyed him.

Originally posted by Bentley

About the CN Mr. Master,
people are saying that the Fury needs to receive an attack
before evolving to resist it.
If that's true, how could he evolve past nullification?
As receiving nullification would have destroyed him.

The CN didn't hurt Fury cause the insane God of the 238 reality
installed that uber invulnerability upon it, but I must submit,
the Fury's durability was not infinite,
but it obviously took immense effects to damage it,
like when it battled 616 Jaspers, who would've without a doubt,
warped the entire Omniverse had it not been for Fury.

It was also severely damaged by a mysterious source, or sources
in it's journey across entire UniverseS.

A journey the Fury had to endure old school style,
since it had no teleportaion capabilities at that time.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm only opiniating about obstacles that might've damaged Fury,
with sufficient consistency,
I can see Fury being damaged after a prolonged journey
of back to back assaults from the madness of space/time,
and who knows what else.

But crossing barriers? Heck no!

I toke the crossing of Barriers because that is the only thing that I could find that in some way was capable of delivering the amount of damage if I recall correctly, you once said something about Merlyn being thrown through the omniverse ore something like that and that, the journey where he was thrown against the different barriers was a testemony to his durability.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Fury's battle with 616 Jaspers has zero relation to Fury and its journey.

Fury couldn't teleport when it left 238, (unlike when it fought 616 Jaspers)
so it had to travel the old fashion way, through distance and time.

I'm 100% positive this is why Fury was damaged,
I mean, we're talking about a journey of an incredible distance, (across UniverseSSS)
with countless cosmic obstacles in it's way.

It couldn't then when did it learn it and how the hell did it travel the old fashion way from one universe to the next, a universe is infinite...

The most likely it would run into would be the commen in space, Meteors Black Holes Supernovas the forces of space, and none of them should be capable of leaving as much as a single mark on fury master.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Give Alan Moore a call and let em know,
cause that's exactly what he wrote On Panel,
word for word.

I think I will I have begun making a habit out of writing the writers. But if only look at the journey, then how can you be absolutely sure that it was the journey through the universes and not between the universes that damaged it? Fact is that you cannot you can only speculate as much as I can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again, I agree, Fury would've been able to withstand any of those things,
but what I think you're not focusing on
is how many times Fury had to deal with these obstacles,
remember, it was a journey across UniverseS.

And what I believe you forgot to focuse on is that even after Fury have battled Mad Jim Jaspers and being down it wouldn't have taken long for him to regain his former strength, even if he runs into major problems his abilities to regain his strength would most certainly make sure that the condition he arrived in shouldn't have been possible.

Originally posted by Mr Master
UniverseS Ut, several of those UniverseS might've been collapsing,
(in Marvel UniverseS are dying and being re-born on a constant basis)
others might've contained Universal powers that attacked Fury,
others might've contained advance civilations that possess weapons that can crack space-time,
Fury might've bumbed into cosmic hierarchal beings,
seriously, the possibilities are endless.

They are but they are all as much speculation Master as my theory is because fact is that we doesn't know, for all we know he could have journey though the universes without receiving a scratch, and the damage that he would receive, he would only receive one time thanks to his ability to adapt.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Without any materials to regenerate,
after that immense journey,
even the Fury at some point would've started to feel the effects.

The material to regenerate master is placed all around fury... If he gets hit by a meteor for instance he can use that to regain his strength

Originally posted by Mr Master
You feel me?

My guess is as good as yours,
what I know for a fact is, that it was not crossing barriers.

It was the journey itself as Alan Moore clearly pointed out.

Something, or a combination of many things (a mystery to us)
in that journey, damaged the Fury.

Unfortunately, we'll never know,
but we must agree, whatever it was,
it was of greater affect than the CN,
perhaps not on it's own, but perhaps as a culmination of various bombardments.

So that means that if we take fury and throw it against a being like eternity for instance, Eternity would be capable of overcomming it sooner ore later as long as he places it in space and keeps attacking it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm at work right now (graveyard shift) so I don't have access to my scans.

That's a downer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Tomorrow I'll post what you're searching for.

Thanks

Originally posted by Mr Master
Re-read the arc if you have it friend.

That's the Problem I don't 🙁

Originally posted by Mr Master
When CB was blasted (once) by Fury,
he was'nt turned into a skeleton,
but he was disintegrated minus a single bone that was left over.

Roma re-created Brian out of that one bone.

I got a different picture about that from these scans.

http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mjj10jz1.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mjj11gm9.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
First, no one killed Merlyn, ever, that was Roma who died,
and I'm betting that's some kind of ploy on her part,
it better be, or darn it, that's some serious pis on Claremont's part.

Second, that's matrix/Merlyn who got his hands scorched,
and I'm sure you know what kind of power he had while merged to the omniversal Energy Matrix.

I'm still not sure if Merlyn is connected to the Energy Matrix anymore,
there's an Excalibur issue where the Tower that allowed his connection was destroyed,
but then at the end of the Excalibur run the arc alludes to that being not exactly true,
but then he gets owned by Psylock hand to hand in 2007, 😂
yet can withstand/survive a direct blast from 616 Jaspers
that blows a hole through his chest in the same 2007 arc. 😐

Until further notice, continuity was twisted somewhat in that last Jaspers arc,
in 2007's ... 'Die by the Sword' ...
meh, at-least Jaspers still had the power to destroy the Omniverse. 🙂

The incident with merlyn being blasted by Jaspers/fury could for all we know have been a illusion made by Merlyn.

What I doesn't understand is why you places Merlyns durability so high because of the Matrix, I mean Doctor Strange while wielding great power still only has around human durability.

btw when scatterbrain his him with her psi-attack it said he turned off his brain & switched to "auxilary nervous system"

so how come scatterbrain's attack didn't target his 2nd nervous system too ? (apparently it only affected his primary brain)
on one hand her attacks could affect the entire marvel-verse (that's huge) but on the other hand it can't even affect the entire target ??? (since it only covered fury's main nervous system)

something don't fit 🤨

😄