Cloud, Xemnas, and Ansem vs Sephiroth

Started by Wil73 pages

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
[b]Gameplay mechanics

Do. Not. Apply. [/B]

Doesn't matter. Who did squareenix say was there best creation, and who wins this fight:

Sephiroth

Best does not equal strongest.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
[b]Best does not equal strongest. [/B]

Best, the best thing they created that no one can beat that they have created. Squareenix says it themselves that there is not a single creation that they created that is at the same skill as Sephiroth. They also said Seph could have killed Cloud right away if he wanted to, Seph is extreamly fast, and if he tried, he could take all of FF, that is if he wanted to, with the speed he has, and with one meteor, that is if the lifestream isn't accounted for.

So I think if Squareenix admits all of that, Seph in a stomp over Xemnas.

Originally posted by Wil7
Best, the best thing they created that no one can beat that they have created.

I don't believe that you said they said the best not the best that no one can beat. Post rpoof please I think you're making things up.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
I don't believe that you said they said the best not the best that no one can beat. Post rpoof please I think you're making things up.

Nope, I read it in a magazine, it was an interview with the producer of FF, and he said that if I remeber correctly

"Sephiroth, no one can match his speed, and strength. He has the ability to absorb a planets energy, and then destroy a planet. Sephiroth could have stabbed Cloud in the head in Advent Children, and kill him, but he didn't. I don't think anyone that we have created is even near Sephiroth's skills."

Also, there is an interview with the producer on Advent Children.

That sounds like BS to me.

me too..
i thought ultemecia was stated to be the strongest 😬

Originally posted by MadMel
me too..
i thought ultemecia was stated to be the strongest 😬

Didn't play that game but wasn't she supposed to be like the world or galaxy from what I think I recall from my friend?

Originally posted by Wil7
Nope, I read it in a magazine, it was an interview with the producer of FF, and he said that if I remeber correctly

"Sephiroth, no one can match his speed, and strength. He has the ability to absorb a planets energy, and then destroy a planet. Sephiroth could have stabbed Cloud in the head in Advent Children, and kill him, but he didn't. I don't think anyone that we have created is even near Sephiroth's skills."

Also, there is an interview with the producer on Advent Children.

More than likely bulljive but even if it isn't, the dude said that he doesn't think there is, which doesn't mean that there isn't someone stronger than him.

Originally posted by Wil7
Squareenix has already stated that out of all of there games that they have made, including KH1, and KH2, Sephiroth is the best creation that they have ever created, and that there is enough to say that Sephiroth is superior to Cloud, Xemnas, and Ansem in every way. And if you have played KH2, and have read the guide, you would know this, and it states Sephiroth is the toughest opponent in the entire game. Seph wins.

I think they made him tougher just for fanboy treatment. In reality, Sora stalemated him but it took Sora and Riku together to beat Xemnas. And even if he is tougher, can he take on all 3? Two of which can control time? NO

That's bullshit in every way shape or form, based on both statements AND feats, Ultimecia is the single strongest Final Fantasy character to ever exist, the thought that Sephiroth is above a being who can compress time and absorb existence is nothing short of laughable.

Xemnas? he was lame, I had more trouble with seph and those lame one hit & 2 hit kill techniques

if Xemnas ionno if i was just me but xemnas is just out of league with these two guys, i sadly had more trouble with ansem and cloud

and i never got to fight ultemcia cause my PS2 fried way back and then i lost my memory card

Gameplay difficulty doesn't matter.

Game mechanics do not apply people...

I beat Sephiroth on my first try and I was only level 45 😬 It took me more tries to beat Xemnas first time around. So, is Xemnas > Sephiroth because I beat Sephiroth so easily?

Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts 2 was deathly easy, yeah.

Kingdom Hearts 1 Sephiroth was at least 4 times as difficult.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts 2 was deathly easy, yeah.

Kingdom Hearts 1 Sephiroth was at least 4 times as difficult.

That is up for debate.

KH2 Sephiroth was actually way more difficult than KH1 Sephiroth. Might not be as strong as KH1 Sephiroth is swinging his sword, but KH2 Sephiroth was easily faster, and teleports way more often, and KH1 Sephiroth has like 6 bars of health with alittle bit of armor, those bars don't take long to take down, and uses firaga Wall right away, and KH2 Sephiroth has 14-16 bars, can't really remember, but he has 3000 HP, the most in the entire game, Xemnas is only half way on health compared to this Sephiroth, a flash attack that can do 13 quick hits on KH1 Seph, an Aerial Combo, and you actually have to make him start using it, because he doesn't want to use it right away, and you have to get 5 bars of health down on him, which is already almost more than KH1 Seph's health already.

KH2 Seph>>>KH1 Seph

BTW, ultemicia is the hardest one in a gameplay fight, but they stated themselves that Sephiroth is the best person in the entire FF series, as stated by the producer in an extra interview on AC.

Originally posted by Wil7
That is up for debate.

KH2 Sephiroth was actually way more difficult than KH1 Sephiroth. Might not be as strong as KH1 Sephiroth is swinging his sword, but KH2 Sephiroth was easily faster, and teleports way more often, and KH1 Sephiroth has like 6 bars of health with alittle bit of armor, those bars don't take long to take down, and uses firaga Wall right away, and KH2 Sephiroth has 14-16 bars, can't really remember, but he has 3000 HP, the most in the entire game, Xemnas is only half way on health compared to this Sephiroth, a flash attack that can do 13 quick hits on KH1 Seph, an Aerial Combo, and you actually have to make him start using it, because he doesn't want to use it right away, and you have to get 5 bars of health down on him, which is already almost more than KH1 Seph's health already.

KH2 Seph>>>KH1 Seph

BTW, ultemicia is the hardest one in a gameplay fight, but they stated themselves that Sephiroth is the best person in the entire FF series, as stated by the producer in an extra interview on AC.

Irrelevant gameplay bullshit.

And KH1 Seph, I fought him at about level 50, and he killed me in two hits. Second time he killed me in three. I was like level 70 when I got around to beating him.

KH2 Seph I beat in two tries, first try got him down to one HP bar, and was around level 40 when I beat him. He wasn't that hard.

Hell, in KH1, Kurt Zisa, Phantom, and Ice Titan were all more difficult than KH2 Seph IMO.

But that is all irrelevant.

And that is a bullshit claim and I demand to see evidence, and even so, said developer has no idea wtf he was talking about if it was true, since not only was Ultimecia STATED to be the strongest FF character, but by feats, she BY FAR is more powerful than Seph. Sephiroth barely registers as a planetary threat. Ultimecia is a universal-transuniversal threat, capable of wiping out all that exists, all that ever did exist, and all that ever will.

And by feats, Xemnas is more powerful as well.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Irrelevant gameplay bullshit.

And KH1 Seph, I fought him at about level 50, and he killed me in two hits. Second time he killed me in three. I was like level 70 when I got around to beating him.

KH2 Seph I beat in two tries, first try got him down to one HP bar, and was around level 40 when I beat him. He wasn't that hard.

Hell, in KH1, Kurt Zisa, Phantom, and Ice Titan were all more difficult than KH2 Seph IMO.

But that is all irrelevant.

And that is a bullshit claim and I demand to see evidence, and even so, said developer has no idea wtf he was talking about if it was true, since not only was Ultimecia STATED to be the strongest FF character, but by feats, she BY FAR is more powerful than Seph. Sephiroth barely registers as a planetary threat. Ultimecia is a universal-transuniversal threat, capable of wiping out all that exists, all that ever did exist, and all that ever will.

And by feats, Xemnas is more powerful as well.

If you were at level 70, and then you finally beat him, you must be very bad, because I beat him at level 60-65, and have never died to him in 2 or 3 hits.

Kurt Zisa is was a challenge, it did take a while to beat him. Freeze the damm clock and pound on Phantom, that simple, and Ice Titan was easy, he just took a long ass time.

Producer says Seph is most powerful in FF, and that is all I need to here.Sephiroth was going to destroy the entire universe, as he said what his plan was in AC.

Xemnas is no where near the strength of Sephiroth. Heck, Sephiroth destroys Xemnas with a meteor, and Sora was able to kill Xemnas, where as after the fight with Seph, Seph just brushed dust off his shoulder.

Originally posted by Wil7
That is up for debate.

No, it's not. I beat him at lvl 45 on my first try while it took me multiple tries to beat his KH:1 incarnation, and multiple tries to beat Xemnas and Ansem. Even if I were just a sucky player, that's still proof that I ha an easier time with KH: 2 Sephiroth than any other version.

BTW, ultemicia is the hardest one in a gameplay fight, but they stated themselves that Sephiroth is the best person in the entire FF series, as stated by the producer in an extra interview on AC.

Both Polaski, myself, and others, have asked you to provide this proof, but you haven't yet. Thus, I think you're not telling the whole story.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
No, it's not. I beat him at lvl 45 on my first try while it took me multiple tries to beat his KH:1 incarnation, and multiple tries to beat Xemnas and Ansem. Even if I were just a sucky player, that's still proof that I ha an easier time with KH: 2 Sephiroth than any other version.

Both Polaski, myself, and others, have asked you to provide this proof, but you haven't yet. Thus, I think you're not telling the whole story.

I know you are making up bullshit because you need to be around level 80 to get near beating him. That is all bullshit, I don't care what you say, you are lieing your ass off. Everything you say is bullshit, because the guide book says the hardest person to beat is Sephiroth in KH2.

Sephiroth
3000 HP
42 Str
24 Def
Cut Combo
Aerial Combo
Moving Cut
Flash
Shadow Flare
Firaga Wall
Meteo
Heartless Angel
All attacks are strong
Beat him at like 70-80

Xemnas(Final Battle)
45 Str
26 Def
Blade Attack
Thorn Beam
Kick
Shot
Spark Bomb
Spark Wall
Multi Shot
Bind Attack
Weapon Drop
Almost all attacks are weak
Beat him at 45-50

Sephiroth>Xemnas, easily. Please, just say that you are lieing, because you can say that you were at lv 45, but I know you are lieing. So please, just say that you were lieing, because I already know you are lieing, and end your bullshit wanna-be claim.

1. Don't know the name of the producer
2. Even if I knew the name, he has been interviewed so many times, I couldn't find the right one
3. I have it, on a DVD

Originally posted by Wil7
I know you are making up bullshit because you need to be around level 80 to get near beating him. That is all bullshit, I don't care what you say, you are lieing your ass off. Everything you say is bullshit, because the guide book says the hardest person to beat is Sephiroth in KH2.

Statistically and physically impossible. Gaining levels only gives you more durability, and more damage and MP with your magic and attacks. Theoretically you can beat him at level one. But he would kill you in one hit and you'd do no damage. Kingdom Hearts isn't an RPG, if you're good you can win at almost any level because you can move freely. I never got past lvl 55 in either of the games.

And considering that Jon Randall, a professional video game player and reviewer, beat him at lvl 63, you're entire point goes out the window.

QED.

1. Don't know the name of the producer
2. Even if I knew the name, he has been interviewed so many times, I couldn't find the right one
3. I have it, on a DVD [/B]

Then you're "proof" is void because you can't produce it, even if it does exist.