Cloud, Xemnas, and Ansem vs Sephiroth

Originally posted by Wil7
If you were at level 70, and then you finally beat him, you must be very bad, because I beat him at level 60-65, and have never died to him in 2 or 3 hits.

Kurt Zisa is was a challenge, it did take a while to beat him. Freeze the damm clock and pound on Phantom, that simple, and Ice Titan was easy, he just took a long ass time.

Producer says Seph is most powerful in FF, and that is all I need to here.Sephiroth was going to destroy the entire universe, as he said what his plan was in AC.

Xemnas is no where near the strength of Sephiroth. Heck, Sephiroth destroys Xemnas with a meteor, and Sora was able to kill Xemnas, where as after the fight with Seph, Seph just brushed dust off his shoulder.

2. All were harder than KH2 Sephiroth was my point, who was easy compared to the first game.

3. Now you're lying. You are either lying, or are grossly misinformed. Sephiroth was "going to destroy the universe?" My. Ass. He was going to kill all the LIFE on the planet, not even bust the planet, and then use the planet as kind of a space ship to travel to other planets and do the same to them. You are so full of shit, and you are either lying about the producer, or the producer is wrong. How credible a source is said producer? What other Square-Enix games has he had a helping hand in? Hell...He's only a PRODUCER, he doesn't write the story, or anything like that, he helps produce it, what the hell does he know? And I think you are lying, considering it has already been stated that Ultimecia is the strongest, and she also has the feats to prove it.

4. Destroys Xemnas with a meteor? Xemnas who tanked multiple hits from the Keyblade, which can cut large pieces of buildings in half? And that is because in KH2, Sephiroth can only be killed by Cloud, as confirmed by several other characters. Oh, and in KH1, a weaker Sora BEAT Sephiroth.

Xemnas can destroy entire worlds in KH and was going to destroy more, Sephiroth in canon is barely a threat to one.

Originally posted by Wil7
Xemnas is no where near the strength of Sephiroth. Heck, Sephiroth destroys Xemnas with a meteor, and Sora was able to kill Xemnas, where as after the fight with Seph, Seph just brushed dust off his shoulder.

- Using PIS to support another character. Xemnas could have schooled Sora and Riku in a matter of seconds. One of the seemingly infinite ways he could have destroyed them was casting a spell where they had only seconds to live. Another way would be draining their health to zero (Xemnas can clone himself, mind you), though if you meant only that Sora is able to beat Xemnas, that is true, but that is because the Keyblade has special properties. It's not like Sora used his uber godzor power to beat him.

- The fight with Sephiroth is full of mysteries. No one knows what happened in that particular fight. Never mind the fact only Cloud is the one who can "eliminate" him as Sephiroth is simply a manifestation of Cloud's darkness as far as KH goes. Sephiroth even says this after his encounter with Sora.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Then you're "proof" is void because you can't produce it, even if it does exist.

Not to mention Xemnas alone has better showings. They are all in the post I quoted earlier in this thread, and although the videos show gameplay, the gameplay has sequences which must happen in order for the fight to carry out (such as the sequence in the beginning). Said sequences demonstrates was Xemnas can do. And no, I'm not a Sephiroth hater. Just wanted to throw that out there.

The creators said that there is nothing above Sephiroth, "in the world of FFVII".

By the way, I meant no offense to Wil7. I was running out of time when making that post which is why it may seem kind of...offensive.

Just wanted to add something. One thing Xemnas can do about Meteor, off the top of my head, is be intangible and thus invulnerable to it, that is if Meteor hasn't properties other than physical. Then again it's not like he can't simply dimension cross, something Organization XIII members do often. The intangibility and dimension crossing is demonstrated in the post I quoted on the first page.

Saying Sephiroth can take both Xemnas and Ansem (Xehanort's Heartless) is absurd, regardless if Sephiroth is the strongest. If it's true BFR'ing is a way to win here..it's a way for either Xemnas or Ansem to win. Considering that canonically they don't simply cast their opponents to a different realm leaving them, they don't have to be with them. I think that much is obvious.

Ansem doing it (beginning of video):YouTube video

Xemnas doing it (00:20):YouTube video

Look past the innocent Disney feel. It took me time but I did.

Originally posted by Wil7
Best, the best thing they created that no one can beat that they have created. Squareenix says it themselves that there is not a single creation that they created that is at the same skill as Sephiroth. They also said Seph could have killed Cloud right away if he wanted to, Seph is extreamly fast, and if he tried, he could take all of FF, that is if he wanted to, with the speed he has, and with one meteor, that is if the lifestream isn't accounted for.

So I think if Squareenix admits all of that, Seph in a stomp over Xemnas.

That's deadly funny. Seriously.

The moment Sephiroth destroys a planet by accident then he can talk about being even in the running for "low-tier" in Xenogears.

You have good points KN7JL3, and the only reason I'm not going to bother arguing is because you probably haven't seen the interview. Plus, if Xemnas was stronger than Sephiroth, then he would have had 14 bars of health, like Sephiroth, and not just his wimpy 7. And also to beat Xemnas, you would have to be at least at, or near lv. 80, and have a few abilities that will be devistating if you don't, like Sephiroth, unlike where I beat Xemnas at lv. 44, and has no big devistating moves like Sephiroth does. Sephiroth surrounds him still with millions of meteors, and crushes him.

And whoever says that they beat Sephiroth at lv. 45, you need to record a video, and then show me it, or otherwise, it is bullshit.

Also DJ, you mention that Seph was barely a threat to 1 planet, but if he killed Cloud, he would have used that planet, and destroyed every single planet in the cosmos. And also, Xemnas being a threat to KH worlds is not that big of a deal. Sephiroth didn't die to Sora though, and also, he wasn't even hurt, bleeding, or anything in KH1. He just decided to beam away. Sora was able to kill both Xemnas, something he lacks to Seph, even though Seph can only die to Cloud, he still barely did anything to Sephiroth. And being a threat to more planets doesn't mean you're stronger than most people.

He said what his plan was in AC. He actually told Cloud.

Originally posted by Wil7
You have good points KN7JL3, and the only reason I'm not going to bother arguing is because you probably haven't seen the interview. Plus, if Xemnas was stronger than Sephiroth, then he would have had 14 bars of health, like Sephiroth, and not just his wimpy 7. And also to beat Xemnas, you would have to be at least at, or near lv. 80, and have a few abilities that will be devistating if you don't, like Sephiroth, unlike where I beat Xemnas at lv. 44, and has no big devistating moves like Sephiroth does. Sephiroth surrounds him still with millions of meteors, and crushes him.

And whoever says that they beat Sephiroth at lv. 45, you need to record a video, and then show me it, or otherwise, it is bullshit.

Also DJ, you mention that Seph was barely a threat to 1 planet, but if he killed Cloud, he would have used that planet, and destroyed every single planet in the cosmos. And also, Xemnas being a threat to KH worlds is not that big of a deal. Sephiroth didn't die to Sora though, and also, he wasn't even hurt, bleeding, or anything in KH1. He just decided to beam away. Sora was able to kill both Xemnas, something he lacks to Seph, even though Seph can only die to Cloud, he still barely did anything to Sephiroth. And being a threat to more planets doesn't mean you're stronger than most people.

He said what his plan was in AC. He actually told Cloud.

You're not important enough to warrant such a video.

He isn't. He can't even destroy one. Only kill its life...And it took years, and still he wasn't finished. 😐 He would then travel the cosmos with said planet as a vessel, and use the same slow process to kill other planets. Whoa. In a few hundred years, he might actually be able to destroy an entire solar system! dur

And Sephiroth can only be killed by Cloud, and in KH1, ran away. You are ignoring these facts to support Sephiroth, which only makes you look bad.

I know his plan better than you do apparently.

Originally posted by Wil7
Plus, if Xemnas was stronger than Sephiroth, then he would have had 14 bars of health, like Sephiroth, and not just his wimpy 7.

Dude WTF is up with your logic? I think you are malfunctioning.

Originally posted by Wil7

And whoever says that they beat Sephiroth at lv. 45, you need to record a video, and then show me it, or otherwise, it is bullshit.

You neeed to post that interview or otherwise, it is bullshit.

Wil7...you are using gameplay experiences to debate. They don't count. Versus matches aren't gameplay matches, as far as most threads are concerned. But yes, you can argue that only gameplay-wise one is tougher than the other.

Originally posted by KN7JL3
Wil7...you are using gameplay experiences to debate. They don't count. Versus matches aren't gameplay matches, as far as most threads are concerned. But yes, you can argue that only gameplay-wise one is tougher than the other.

True, gameplay doesn't really count, but gameplay wise, Sephiroth is the strongest in KH2. If it is a versus match, I will still say Seph, because I don't see him keeping up with his speed.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You neeed to post that interview or otherwise, it is bullshit.

How am I honestly going to put an interview that is exclusive to AC only? Please tell me how?

Originally posted by Wil7
True, gameplay doesn't really count, but gameplay wise, Sephiroth is the strongest in KH2. If it is a versus match, I will still say Seph, because I don't see him keeping up with his speed.

How am I honestly going to put an interview that is exclusive to AC only? Please tell me how?

2. Quote it. Post a vid. Google us to a link with the quote. Choose.

DJ always has something incorrect when it comes to canonicity. 😛

KH Sephiroth is canon to KH as FF7 Sephiroth is canon to Universe of FF7.

And he just said it was exclusive to AC...yet earlier he typed he was the strongest thing by SE...wierd. 😖

Who cares about KH Sephiroth he has no background story or feats to debate with, he's an entirely different incarnation as the actual FF7 Sephiroth.

Well he plays a role in the story of KH so I wouldn't say he doesn't have a background story...and his feats would include everything he pulled off in the cutscenes (KH1 and 2) where he fought Cloud, though not as good as the original Seph.

-Edit- yeah youtube doesn't work now...guess ill post them later. 😖

Originally posted by KN7JL3
DJ always has something incorrect when it comes to canonicity. 😛

KH Sephiroth is canon to KH as FF7 Sephiroth is canon to Universe of FF7.

And he just said it was exclusive to AC...yet earlier he typed he was the strongest thing by SE...wierd. 😖

Yeah I know, he's full of shit. Not surprising considering he debated he was more powerful than the likes of characters such as Pyron.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Gameplay-wise means shit. And Xemnas is at least as fast, and besides...Why are you even ARGUING KH Sephiroth? He's NOT CANON.

2. Quote it. Post a vid. Google us to a link with the quote. Choose.

Xemnas hasn't really shown speed feats, well not ones that make mejawdrop. Also, Seph can teleport. 😂 , you do have a point there.

3 reasons, well 5, why I can't.
1. Don't know producers name.
2. If I did, wouldn't know which one to choose.
3. If I did, I still wouldn't be able to get it because for 2 reasons:
1. This computer I can't watch video's.
2. Don't think I can get a video that is exclusive to AC, and AC only 🙁 sorry.

If you figure it, tell me.

I am very sorry guys. I think the interview was before FFVIII even came out, and they just put it on AC. If that is the case, and I am wrong about the date, then Ultemecia could possibly be stronger. I don't think it, I still think that Seph is stronger, but heck, you guys have your own way of thinking, like me. But obviously I made up the part about Ultemecia being the only one near Seph's strength, I don't remember it 100%.

I am very sorry. Still say Sephiroth wins.

...Ultimecia was absorbing all of space and time, she was absorbing all of existence...

In all seriousness, what single feat of Sephiroth's leads you to believe Sephiroth is more powerful.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
...Ultimecia was absorbing all of space and time, she was absorbing all of existence...

In all seriousness, what single feat of Sephiroth's leads you to believe Sephiroth is more powerful.

I will have to agree here that you are right. Ultemecia definitly can destroy more than Sephiroth.

But let us just say it is a 1 on 1 fight, where it is just Sephiroth vs Ultemecia, and this fight is just like Cloud vs Sephiroth, where it is just swords, and magic, and no absorbing shit. If she had her absorbing universe move, yeah you probably are right when I think about it, Ultemecia would win, but this is just a full out sword, and there other magic moves fight. Who wins?