Scorpion vs. Master Chief

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1A. So his battle plan is to teleport constantly and run away from Chief? And you would have to prove Scorpion can spam it constantly, and that he could continue to react fast enough to the much faster Chief?

1B. Already explained that.

1C. And how long would it take to get to that level? And his "power" increases, can you prove his physical strength and speed increase in the same way?

2. K. Got it. Can you prove it would happen quickly enough to battle with Chief evenly, or that it can factually increase that much? Never says the amp is unlimited.

I already explained how durable Chief is. Pay attention next time.

1A. Prove that Scorpion can keep teleporting? I'm sorry but that's just stupid. That's like asking if Raiden can fly without using his flying attack during a fight.

1B. 😐

1C. I'm not sure about his speed but his strength increases.

2. Like I said, all we know is that it increases, not how long or anything. And yes it is unlimited. Drahmin's Konquest storyline says that Scorpions strength increases each passing moment.

Master Chief.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. No, I asked Blax to prove that Chief can take Scorpion out before he can increase. I wasn't asking him to prove a negative.

2. Already did.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1A. Prove that Scorpion can keep teleporting? I'm sorry but that's just stupid. That's like asking if Raiden can fly without using his flying attack during a fight.

1B. 😐

1C. I'm not sure about his speed but his strength increases.

2. Like I said, all we know is that it increases, not how long or anything. And yes it is unlimited. Drahmin's Konquest storyline says that Scorpions strength increases each passing moment.

1C. Based on?

2. So it gives him the win automatically based on...What? And that in no way, shape, or form implies that it is infinite.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. When the hell was it ever stated this fight was in Neverrealm now that I think about it? And besides, can you prove he could continuously do it quick enough?

2. Nor do his physical strength and speed increase in the same way.

3. Onaga who has never proven himself to be as durable as Chief, not to mention said Scorpion was amped beyond his usual levels I believe, Champ of Elder Gods or something.

1. It's a teleport, man. It's not like it's slow or he has to concentrate to do it or something. And Nemesis X post did make it seem like it took place in the Netherrealm.

2. His strength does increase. I'm not sure about his speed (even though I don't see why it wouldn't increase too but that's just me).

3. Onaga has shown to withstand a blast that incinerated his tomb and the surroundings of it and that place was huge.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1a. That was not what I meant, I mean prove he can continuously do it foreva and eva with no strain on stamina, and that he could continue to react to the much faster Chief.

1C. Based on?

2. So it gives him the win automatically based on...What? And that in no way, shape, or form implies that it is infinite.

1.a He's previously shown to teleport with no problem at all. No straining or stamina.

1C. I just showed you; in his bio. 😐

2. Each "passing" moment implies that it's not limited. Plus, in DA, Scorpion was in there for like five years so it still wouldn't matter anyway.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
So what you're saying, is that Scorpion will spend 99% of the match running away, than wait until he's ultimate strong and pwn him?

Running away and avoiding any form of fighting is a loss.

Than how do we use this in this match? We have no idea how long it will take him to get as powerful as he needs to get?

I don't think that's enough.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
So what you're saying, is that Scorpion will spend 99% of the match running away, than wait until he's ultimate strong and pwn him?

Running away and avoiding any form of fighting is a loss.

I'm not saying he's running "away". He can teleport around that area. But it was never said how fast he powers up so it may not matter.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Than how do we use this in this match? We have no idea how long it will take him to get as powerful as he needs to get?

But we know for a fact he keeps getting powerful the longer he stays and Cheif doesn't. This is clearly Scorpion's advantage and him already shown mixing it up with strong characters like Sub-Zero shows that he's not weak. Of course, I admit Chief has shown to have more impressive feats but it's really hard to give him the win when his opponent is constantly getting strong each passing second.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
I don't think that's enough.

Why not?

Originally posted by SmashBro
I'm not saying he's running "away". He can teleport around that area.

If Scorpion's plan is to teleport away every time the Chief gets near for fear of getting his neck snapped, then he's running away. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can gather, what you're saying is that Scorpion will teleport around avoiding fighting the Chief in combat until his powers increase enough for him to win. Avoiding combat because your opponent is stronger than you= running.

But it was never said how fast he powers up so it may not matter.

It doesn't.

But we know for a fact he keeps getting powerful the longer he stays and Cheif doesn't. This is clearly Scorpion's advantage and him already shown mixing it up with strong characters like Sub-Zero shows that he's not weak. Of course, I admit Chief has shown to have more impressive feats but it's really hard to give him the win when his opponent is constantly getting strong each passing second.

Scorpion can handle Sub-Zero because his attacks (fire) are a perfect counter to ice... and he only beat him once, when he was a newbie and was confused. He lost twice in a row to elder Sub-Zero as well...

Regardless, you're point rests on a power source that is completely ambiguous. It might take him ten minutes to reach the Chief's level. It might take weeks. Is Scorpion really going to be teleporting around, avoiding combat, for weeks?

Why not?

Scorpion has never canonically fought Onaga to my knowledge. and even if he did I'd have to see the context of the fight.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
If Scorpion's plan is to teleport away every time the Chief gets near for fear of getting his neck snapped, then he's running away. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can gather, what you're saying is that Scorpion will teleport around avoiding fighting the Chief in combat until his powers increase enough for him to win. Avoiding combat because your opponent is stronger than you= running.

Not if it's a way to help them win. If someone was only running around for nothing else other than then trying avoid fighting someone stronger, yes that could be considered as running but just to buy some time to get strong enough to beat someone is not running at all (unless they do it away from the fight itself). It's simply using strategy and outsmarting your opponent.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Scorpion can handle Sub-Zero because his attacks (fire) are a perfect counter to ice... and he only beat him once, when he was a newbie and was confused. He lost twice in a row to elder Sub-Zero as well...

They weren't fighting using just powers though. And I was referring to the elder Sub-Zero, who actually only beat him once but escaped their second.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Regardless, you're point rests on a power source that is completely ambiguous. It might take him ten minutes to reach the Chief's level. It might take weeks. Is Scorpion really going to be teleporting around, avoiding combat, for weeks?

That's only assuming that it takes weeks, which is something we still don't know.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Scorpion has never canonically fought Onaga to my knowledge. and even if he did I'd have to see the context of the fight.

Yeah, Scorpion didn't canonically fight Onaga but that's because he never confronted him due to his current beef with the elder gods. However, his ending in Deception shows what most likely could have happened if he did fight him.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Not if it's a way to help them win. If someone was only running around for nothing else other than then trying avoid fighting someone stronger, yes that could be considered as running but just to buy some time to get strong enough to beat someone is not running at all (unless they do it away from the fight itself). It's simply using strategy and outsmarting your opponent.

Running away until something makes you stronger doesn't make you smarter, first off. 😐

Second off, KMC vs. rules state that if a character can not fight either because they are defeated or they are too weak it is a loss. Scorpion running around and avoiding any sort of fighting for god knows how long isn't a fight. ... at all.

They weren't fighting using just powers though. And I was referring to the elder Sub-Zero, who actually only beat him once but escaped their second.

Elder Sub beat him twice. And Sub-Zero would lose to the Chief as well if he didn't have his ice powers.

That's only assuming that it takes weeks, which is something we still don't know.

That is my point. We don't know how long it takes. My point is that it could take a couple of minutes, or it could take a couple of weeks, or days. And the latter would result in a loss. That is why the whole point should just be ignored, because we have no idea.

Yeah, Scorpion didn't canonically fight Onaga but that's because he never confronted him due to his current beef with the elder gods. However, his ending in Deception shows what most likely could have happened if he did fight him. [/B]

Not even most likely. And even then, the Elder Gods amped him incredibly for that fight specifically. That's not Scorpion's normal power. It's a plot device.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Running away until something makes you stronger doesn't make you smarter, first off. 😐

Only if your opponent already knows it.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Second off, KMC vs. rules state that if a character can not fight either because they are defeated or they are too weak it is a loss. Scorpion running around and avoiding any sort of fighting for god knows how long isn't a fight. ... at all.

Actually, it is. Dodging attacks until you get an advantage is in no way running away, like you're claiming. It's simply a strategy of using something wisely until you have a chance to strike. It's like the rope-a-dope strategy; you stay on the defensive until your opponent is worn out and then you take the opportunity to counter. In this case Scorpion is simply avoiding Cheif's attacks until he's strong enough to take him out.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Elder Sub beat him twice. And Sub-Zero would lose to the Chief as well if he didn't have his ice powers..

Yeah, I agree, Subby would lose without his powers but the point I was making is that Scorpion isn't THAT much weaker than Chief.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That is my point. We don't know how long it takes. My point is that it could take a couple of minutes, [b]or it could take a couple of weeks, or days. And the latter would result in a loss. That is why the whole point should just be ignored, because we have no idea.[/B]

About him getting stronger or about how long it takes?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Not even most likely. And even then, the Elder Gods amped him incredibly for that fight specifically. That's not Scorpion's normal power. It's a plot device.

🤨 And this suppose to mean?

Originally posted by SmashBro
Only if your opponent already knows it.

What?

Actually, it is. Dodging attacks until you get an advantage is in no way running away, like you're claiming.

"dodging" an attack is when someone throws a punch at you and you duck. Waiting for someone to get close, than teleporting ten feet away and blowing a raspberry, than waiting for him to get close again and teleporting ten feet away. That's not "dodging". That's "staying out of range", or "avoiding your opponent". When you avoid your opponent to the point were they can' attack you and you're not attacking them because you're too weak, you're running away.

It's simply a strategy of using something wisely until you have a chance to strike. It's like the rope-a-dope strategy; you stay on the defensive until your opponent is worn out and then you take the opportunity to counter

Except with the rope-a-dope strategy Ali didn't run around the ring in circles to the point where his opponent couldn't throw a single punch. Do you know why? Because that's a banned tactic in professional fighting. Doing it once or twice to collect yourself is one thing, doing it continuously will get your points knocked off.

And guess what would happen if a Boxer were to do that for an hour?

Yeah, I agree, Subby would lose without his powers but the point I was making is that Scorpion isn't THAT much weaker than Chief.

That's an A>B>C argument, first off, second off, I'm still correct. Elder Sub-Zero without his ice powers would lose to the Chief, because he's inferior. So why would beating a man, whom you've lost to twice, and is inferior anyway, be any indication for how strong he is compared to the Chief?

About him getting stronger or about how long it takes?

Both. Saying "he gets a power boost" is meaningless if you have no way of telling how long it takes to do so. How would we use it in a debate? Do we assume that he gets powerful instantly? What do we do?

🤨 And this suppose to mean?

Bananas.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
What?

If you're doing something that your opponent is unaware of, that's kind of like outsmarting them.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
"dodging" an attack is when someone throws a punch at you and you duck. Waiting for someone to get close, than teleporting ten feet away and blowing a raspberry, than waiting for him to get close again and teleporting ten feet away. That's not "dodging". That's "staying out of range", or "avoiding your opponent". When you avoid your opponent to the point were they can' attack you and you're not attacking them because you're too weak, you're running away.

That's kind of the same thing, Blax. In both situations, you're making your opponent miss. Rather you're teleporting or ducking, you're still avoiding your opponents attacks. It's not running away. If it was, you'd have to be away from the fight itself (the opponent and the area where the fight takes place). That's running away. But this isn't the case. This is simply avoiding the all the attacks until you get the advantage, not because you can't win.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Except with the rope-a-dope strategy Ali didn't run around the ring in circles to the point where his opponent couldn't throw a single punch. Do you know why? Because that's a banned tactic in professional fighting. Doing it once or twice to collect yourself is one thing, doing it continuously will get your points knocked off.

And guess what would happen if a Boxer were to do that for an hour?

That's why he relied on his endurance and it was to make the opponent tire himself out, which doesn't require running around anyway. But the main point here is that it's Ali's opponent that's doing most of the punching and this is intentional because he's waiting for the right time to counter. In this case, instead of waiting for someone to get tired, Scorpion is just trying to get stronger and he's teleporting until he is strong enough. Plus, this ain't professional fighting anyway.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
That's an A>B>C argument, first off, second off, I'm still correct. Elder Sub-Zero without his ice powers would lose to the Chief, because he's inferior. So why would beating a man, whom you've lost to twice, and is inferior anyway, be any indication for how strong he is compared to the Chief?

I don't know what point you're trying to make here. The first time they fought, Scorpion lost specifically because he didn't have any powers and got his head ripped off. The third time (which was two years later), Scorpion beat him and this was long before his amp from the Elder Gods. I hope you're not trying to imply that he's weaker now or something.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Both. Saying "he gets a power boost" is meaningless if you have no way of telling how long it takes to do so. How would we use it in a debate? Do we assume that he gets powerful instantly? What do we do?

I said this already, I don't know how long he gets stronger but at the same time, we can't just ignore the fact that he does stronger because that is something we can confirm. So we can't say that both arguments can't be used.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Bananas.

😬

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. It's a teleport, man. It's not like it's slow or he has to concentrate to do it or something. And Nemesis X post did make it seem like it took place in the Netherrealm.

2. His strength does increase. I'm not sure about his speed (even though I don't see why it wouldn't increase too but that's just me).

3. Onaga has shown to withstand a blast that incinerated his tomb and the surroundings of it and that place was huge.

2. Can you prove his physical might increases?

3. And Scorpion's powers were amplified far beyond their normal limits, in other words, DOES NOT COUNT.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1.a He's previously shown to teleport with no problem at all. No straining or stamina.

1C. I just showed you; in his bio. 😐

2. Each "[b]passing" moment implies that it's not limited. Plus, in DA, Scorpion was in there for like five years so it still wouldn't matter anyway. [/B]

1c. You showed nothing.

2. No it does not. If I say,"For each passing moment, my penis erected more and more," does that mean it will erect infinitely? No. And five years in there still did not make him equal to Chief means it is either horrendously slow or is finite.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Scorpion's teleporting is actually kinda slow from my memory, and MC is like, very fast and stuff, and even a jab will cripple Scorpion.

2. Can you prove his physical might increases?

3. And Scorpion's powers were amplified far beyond their normal limits, in other words, DOES NOT COUNT.

1. Well you got bad memory because it sure isn't slow.

2. It says so in his bio.

3. Yes it does. That's the way Scorpion currently is.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1a. And it was still fairly slow.

1c. You showed nothing.

2. No it does not. If I say,"For each passing moment, my penis erected more and more," does that mean it will erect infinitely? No. And five years in there still did not make him equal to Chief means it is either horrendously slow or is finite.

1a. No it wasn't.

1c. Yes I did. Stop lying. It's right there in the darn bio I posted.

2. Really, you need to stop with that sick talking and it wasn't a good example either. And it was never said that his powers come to sudden halt like you're claiming. If you say it is, you gotta prove it. You also gotta prove that he's still not equal to Chief like you're claiming.

maybe scorpion can beat master chief's shield atleast before he is K.O.'d?

Maybe ^^.. but Scorpion still loses either way of course.

Reading this topic has proven so... interesting, that it just gave me an idea for a thread here. *goes to make it*
hohoho

Teleporting away and running would make for such an amazing fight!!!

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