chess match vegeta vs piccolo · Anime / Manga

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by beast1234
cell stated that he gain his intelligence from piccolo.

And so did buu. Vegeta is too reckless. He let Cell absorb 18 so that he could "have a challenge". If he also plays recklessly in the chess game like sending out his queen and rooks early and acting stupid he loses badly.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

seriously, piccolo is way more intelligent than vegeta is, now even more so since he fused back together with kami-senin.

beast1234 Senior Member

Vegeta should be smart too because he has royal blood. Royal blood sayians have intellect and cunning that rival the tuffle. That why i think vegeta the perfect candidate to match piccolo in a battle of wit and cunning but i still think piccolo will win because he dose not allow himself to be binded by arrogance and plus he had his intelligence upgraded when he merged with kami.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Piccolo is wise. He has never been indicated as a tactical genius.

beast1234 Senior Member

piccolo has outwitted beings that are stronger then him

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Name some?

Nappa, killed him.

Freeza, nearly killed him.

He was an equal to 17, but would have lost due to finite stamina, whereas 17's was infinite.

He stalemated Cell at his weakest.

He could do nothing to Buu.

The only person who counts is Raditz, and he had help from Goku.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Piccolo is wise. He has never been indicated as a tactical genius.

piccolo's hellzone grenade move he pulled on 17.

Dark-Jaxx Senior Member

Which didn't work.

And that was a move he invented, not tactics. Granted, it is a smart move, but it is not like he will be able to invent the "Super Mega Queen/Rook combo attack" during Chess.

And you wanna use tactics, Vegeta when losing the upperhand did not hesitate to use a blast that simulated the moon, which turned him into an Oozaru.

beast1234 Senior Member

when piccolo fought nappa he nearly had him killed but gohan hesitated to kill him and that was a tactical move that piccolo pulled(hell zone grenade) on 17 oh when piccolo fought cell at his weakest form he held back most of his power.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx

And you wanna use tactics, Vegeta when losing the upperhand did not hesitate to use a blast that simulated the moon, which turned him into an Oozaru.

lulz! vegeta was scared so he resorted to his most powerful move, who doesn't do that right before they're going to lose?

but anyway, everybody knows piccolo is the smartest z-fighter in the area of strategy, what he lacks in power he makes up for with brains.

Ridley_Prime Smug icon slayer

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
He stalemated Cell at his weakest.

Stalemated? Piccolo easily had the upper hand in that first battle. Cell used Solar Flare and ran away when he realized he couldn't win until he was able to absorb more people. 😬

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lulz! vegeta was scared so he resorted to his most powerful move, who doesn't do that right before they're going to lose?
but anyway, everybody knows piccolo is the smartest z-fighter in the area of strategy, what he lacks in power he makes up for with brains.

Eh I think Gokou has done more to make me think he's smarter than Piccolo when it comes to strategy in fights. Though him seemingly forgetting about Spirit Bomb, and having to be told by Vegeta to use it wasn't one of those times.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which didn't work.
And that was a move he invented, not tactics. Granted, it is a smart move, but it is not like he will be able to invent the "Super Mega Queen/Rook combo attack" during Chess.
And you wanna use tactics, Vegeta when losing the upperhand did not hesitate to use a blast that simulated the moon, which turned him into an Oozaru.

Actually, creativity plays a large part in chess - if you can see the board in inventive and original ways that people wouldn't normally think of, you can come up with things that can take your opponent completely by surprise

jimBOFH Senior Member

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Name some?
Nappa, killed him.
Freeza, nearly killed him.
He was an equal to 17, but would have lost due to finite stamina, whereas 17's was infinite.
He stalemated Cell at his weakest.
He could do nothing to Buu.
The only person who counts is Raditz, and he had help from Goku.

You seem to be equating "out-witting" with "defeated in battle". They're not the same thing at all.

jimBOFH Senior Member

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And so did buu. Vegeta is too reckless. He let Cell absorb 18 so that he could "have a challenge". If he also plays recklessly in the chess game like sending out his queen and rooks early and acting stupid he loses badly.

I don't see how he would, he's not that stupid- the Queen can't tank attacks from a pawn and then blast it into oblivion, which is clearly what he thought he could do to Perfect Cell.

beast1234 Senior Member

piccolo has proven himself to be versatile when it come to being intelligent he has use logic,reason,creativity and various other intellectual abilities.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by Kento
Eh I think Gokou has done more to make me think he's smarter than Piccolo when it comes to strategy in fights. Though him seemingly forgetting about Spirit Bomb, and having to be told by Vegeta to use it wasn't one of those times.

goku really isn't that smart, chi chi and gohan are far more intelligent than his father is and piccolo is gohan's sensei.

piccolo and co outsmarted vegeta when they made the sayins wait for goku to arrive, even though vegeta could have killed them all with one move. vegeta foolishly waited for him... and well, look what happened.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by psycho gundam
goku really isn't that smart, chi chi and gohan are far more intelligent than his father is and piccolo is gohan's sensei.
piccolo and co outsmarted vegeta when they made the sayins wait for goku to arrive, even though vegeta could have killed them all with one move. vegeta foolishly waited for him... and well, look what happened.

Gokou isn't smart but he's done some ingenius things during battle to make me think he's smarter in battle. Piccolo is the wisest fighter thanks to Kami being part of him so I think he could beat Vegeta in a chess match. Mainly because Vegeta isn't really that smart himself.

beast1234 Senior Member

vegeta is smart but he allows his pride and arrogance to blind him.

jimBOFH Senior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Gokou isn't smart but he's done some ingenius things during battle to make me think he's smarter in battle. Piccolo is the wisest fighter thanks to Kami being part of him so I think he could beat Vegeta in a chess match. Mainly because Vegeta isn't really that smart himself.

Vegeta isn't intelligent in the sense that he's never going to write a paper on particle physics etc. As a warrior and commander though, he's reasonably intelligent- he's also very arrogant, which is why he waited for Goku, and why he let Cell absorb 18. However, this arrogance only applies when he is personally fighting- i think he'd be much better at a strategy game than Goku would because in that situation he's strategically smarter, but because he isn't personally doing the fighting he wouldn't make the same arrogant mistakes as he does against Goku, Frieza and Cell.
That said, I think Piccolo would still win- he's just more intelligent overall than Vegeta is, and would probably know more strategies for chess than Vegeta.
Goku is a natural fighter- he learns techniques very quickly. However, he's not as good at strategy/tactics as Vegeta is, partly because he hates sacrificing people- e.g. Vegeta in the Buu saga- and in chess, you often have to sacrifice pieces to get into the position you want.
In sporting terms, i think Goku would make a better team captain/star player than Vegeta, but Vegeta would make a better coach.