Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do the same for the Congolese civil war.Why is it tragic beyond people dying?
Explain.
This is simple.
- Women and children are being used as slaves.
- Rape often followed by cutting off the women's hands.
- Kids being trained to rape and murder.
- The outside world not doing much to help.
- Even when UN steps in, a lot of the people they employ violate many of the citizen's human rights.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How is he right on the money if he's saying it's not a tragedy, and you're saying it is?-AC
I said it was a tragedy but not a severe one 😐
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How is he right on the money if he's saying it's not a tragedy, and you're saying it is?-AC
To be quite honest with you I think he probably thinks its is. Kris can be a bit of a basterd sometimes. I think what hes getting at is that there is worse shit going on in the world but the writers kinda made 9/11 seem like the worst thing thats ever happened in history.
Doom crying....c'mon.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They actually had that? facepalm
Kinda complicated but I'll try to explain. Kevin Smith wrote Guardian Devil and it was heavily lauded. Then he started getting lazy and his work started coming in later and later to the point where a planned miniseries called Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target was canceled after one issue. However, the plot details of the miniseries have been mentioned and are cannon.
Basically, Bullseye is hired out by Al Qaida to assassinate a top official. Daredevil, still grief stricken from Karen Paige's murder and the 9/11 attacks, goes completely nuts and begins stalking Bullseye, planning on killing him in his sleep. Over the course of events, he coincidentally finds out all about his origins, his name, etc.
Originally posted by Philosophíamainly the scene in which spidey rolls up to the demolished towers, just after the attacks... still think it's impacting. *shrug*
I find those scenes to be one of the most 'forced' ones in the history of comics and they do nothing for me.
But I know you're very emotional..
*pats Galan on the back*
Anyhow...
Originally posted by Galan007
mainly the scene in which spidey rolls up to the demolished towers, just after the attacks... still think it's impacting. *shrug*Anyhow...
That one is pretty good.
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Kinda complicated but I'll try to explain. Kevin Smith wrote Guardian Devil and it was heavily lauded. Then he started getting lazy and his work started coming in later and later to the point where a planned miniseries called Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target was canceled after one issue. However, the plot details of the miniseries have been mentioned and are cannon.Basically, Bullseye is hired out by Al Qaida to assassinate a top official. Daredevil, still grief stricken from Karen Paige's murder and the 9/11 attacks, goes completely nuts and begins stalking Bullseye, planning on killing him in his sleep. Over the course of events, he coincidentally finds out all about his origins, his name, etc.
Aaah, I see.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It served to perpetuate the myth that these cops and firemen are heroes, as opposed to people just doing the job the get paid to do.-AC
😆
You're just poking now.
I'd love to see a fireman stop halfway through helping free you from a burning building, because he's taking his lunch break.
Originally posted by willRules
😆You're just poking now.
I'd love to see a fireman stop halfway through helping free you from a burning building, because he's taking his lunch break.
I'd love to see the bit in the fireman's contract that tells him he's allowed a lunchbreak in the middle of a burning house.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriYou'll probably retain this type of ludicrous opinion until yourself, or your loved one, is having a heart attack, and the firemen/medics are administering life saving interventions... Or until your home is burning down, and the firemen save your most precious and sentimental belongings. Until then, yeah. I suppose it's pretty easy to view them as regular joes who are just their to collect a check.
It served to perpetuate the myth that these cops and firemen are heroes, as opposed to people just doing the job the get paid to do.-AC
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these people are "heroes". I am saying that they are ordinary people placed in extraordinary situations. And that much certainly must be acknowledged.
But you seem like a person who fancies himself above any of that, so I highly doubt what I said will sink in.
Kris: By that rationale, I could find a worse on-going conflict and say that the Congolese one doesn't deserve attention because there are bigger deals. Right?
Merlyn, your post defeats itself.
My post pointed out that they're not heroes for doing their job. You tried countering that by suggesting I'm not grateful, which wasn't what I said. Only to follow it with:
Originally posted by Merlyn
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these people are "heroes".
Why? Because they're not, right? Right. That was exactly my point.
I never said they're just there to collect the money, but they are just regular people doing a job they chose to do. Never did I say I wasn't grateful, just that they aren't heroes for doing their job.
You agree with this.
So, I'm gonna suggest a no-kneejerk pill for you.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Kris: By that rationale, I could find a worse on-going conflict and say that the Congolese one doesn't deserve attention because there are bigger deals. Right?
-AC
If you could find a worse on-going conflict.
Please bring one to my attention.
I'm assuming you can find one which matches the scale as well. Which is part of why I brought it up, the death toll is far greater.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If you could find a worse on-going conflict.Please bring one to my attention.
I'm assuming you can find one which matches the scale as well. Which is part of why I brought it up, the death toll is far greater.
It doesn't work that way.
The Congolese civil war is terrible. Truly. It will always remain terrible, despite the fact that there have been worse.
Burma's civil war is the oldest in the world with upward of 7,000 deaths. It's still going on, right now, and will continue to.
Congo's has been on and off. It's not less bad because of this.
They're both tragedies. The World Trade Centre event isn't deserving of downplaying simply because there are worse.
Nobody is saying there aren't worse, just that it was a truly tragic event. So why would you sit there and play it off because of this?
Your logic is ridiculous, borderline stupid.
Saying it wasn't tragic beyond the loss of middle-class people IS stupid. They're all tragedies, it doesn't matter which is more tragic. Nobody is saying Sept 11th was the worst ever.
Pol Pot's version of Agrarian Socialism resulted in the collective deaths of around 2 million people. Chairmen Mao's Great Leap Forward resulted in the deaths of 20-40 million.
Sept 11th was still tragic, is still tragic.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't work that way.The Congolese civil war is terrible. Truly. It will always remain terrible, despite the fact that there have been worse.
Burma's civil war is the oldest in the world with upward of 7,000 deaths. It's still going on, right now, and will continue to.
Congo's has been on and off. It's not less bad because of this.
They're both tragedies. The World Trade Centre event isn't deserving of downplaying simply because there are worse.
Nobody is saying there aren't worse, just that it was a truly tragic event. So why would you sit there and play it off because of this?
Your logic is ridiculous, borderline stupid.
Saying it wasn't tragic beyond the loss of middle-class people IS stupid. They're all tragedies, it doesn't matter which is more tragic. Nobody is saying Sept 11th was the worst ever.
-AC
You like sausage?
Suprised ou're not watching the Pixies at Brixton tonight!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It doesn't work that way.The Congolese civil war is terrible. Truly. It will always remain terrible, despite the fact that there have been worse.
Burma's civil war is the oldest in the world with upward of 7,000 deaths. It's still going on, right now, and will continue to.
Congo's has been on and off. It's not less bad because of this.
They're both tragedies. The World Trade Centre event isn't deserving of downplaying simply because there are worse.
Nobody is saying there aren't worse, just that it was a truly tragic event. So why would you sit there and play it off because of this?
Your logic is ridiculous, borderline stupid.
Saying it wasn't tragic beyond the loss of middle-class people IS stupid. They're all tragedies, it doesn't matter which is more tragic. Nobody is saying Sept 11th was the worst ever.
-AC
Your entire argument is based around the fact that you are PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.
Maybe if I had claimed that WTC was not tragic would your logic have worked, but I did not. Seems like your projecting to try and keep an argument going. While the Civil War in Burma is incredible, the violations of the human rights are not as bad as the ones taking place in congo. Both have a fair share of slavery/selling of sex slaves, but Burma does not have an army of 12 year olds carrying this out.
Keyword being on-going, in relations to your mention of historic events.
Though Burma is, an incredible tragedy and another reason why WTC does not deserve as much attention as it did.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I am discussing with Galan why I did not find the incident to be moving.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I said it was a tragedy but not a severe one 😐
Learn how to falugging read.
