Originally posted by Juntai
The full page splashes of art really brought out the end of the death of Superman story.
Did you know that was actually intentional(saw it on a DVD extra)? In the first book of the arc they started out with something like 6 panels per page, then in the next it was only 5, and it went on like that until the final issue was all full page splashes in the last issue.
Originally posted by darthgooberI knew when I read it. 👆
Did you know that was actually intentional(saw it on a DVD extra)? In the first book of the arc they started out with something like 6 panels per page, then in the next it was only 5, and it went on like that until the final issue was all full page splashes in the last issue.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Perceptive man, I didn't think anything about it till I was watching the Extras on the Superman vs Doomsday DVD.
me either...
for me, this is recent, but strangely moving in its own way:
strange, in that i never thought i could ever feel any sort of pity for doomsday, in any way, and yet, here it is... doomsday. the monster that killed superman. its a huge deal. and even though it starts off with just him and clark (i love how superman simply blocking a punch causes a huge shockwave), it quickly degrades into every kryptonian nearby wanting their piece of the monster.
it becomes this... i don't know what the word is. but to watch the kind of brutality levelled against someone who by all intents and purposes doesnt deserve the slightest bit of mercy... it just...
i was just sitting there, astonished at what johns had done. i had thought when i saw the return of doomsday, that it was going to suck. big time. not because i don't love the character, because i think as a concept, doomsday is an epic, brilliant creation, that has to be used for a big event of some sort, a big, huge fight between him and clark. but to watch him reduced to this, this husk, broken and beaten... and by kryptonians no less. it really hammered home the differences between superman and the rest of his race, and begins to show us why they were arrogant enough to let their own world be annihilated...
you can even see it in superman's face when doomsday was beaten... he had this 'what have we done?' look on his face... it was one of those 'we've won, but at what cost' moments...
some really, really excellent foreshadowing by johns, imo...
Originally posted by Raoul
me either...for me, this is recent, but strangely moving in its own way:
strange, in that i never thought i could ever feel any sort of pity for doomsday, in any way, and yet, here it is... doomsday. the monster that killed superman. its a huge deal. and even though it starts off with just him and clark (i love how superman simply blocking a punch causes a huge shockwave), it quickly degrades into every kryptonian nearby wanting their piece of the monster.
it becomes this... i don't know what the word is. but to watch the kind of brutality levelled against someone who by all intents and purposes doesnt deserve the slightest bit of mercy... it just...
i was just sitting there, astonished at what johns had done. i had thought when i saw the return of doomsday, that it was going to suck. big time. not because i don't love the character, because i think as a concept, doomsday is an epic, brilliant creation, that has to be used for a big event of some sort, a big, huge fight between him and clark. but to watch him reduced to this, this husk, broken and beaten... and by kryptonians no less. it really hammered home the differences between superman and the rest of his race, and begins to show us why they were arrogant enough to let their own world be annihilated...
you can even see it in superman's face when doomsday was beaten... he had this 'what have we done?' look on his face... it was one of those 'we've won, but at what cost' moments...
some really, really excellent foreshadowing by johns, imo...
I don't get it Kryptonians are arrogant and not as noble as Superman because they beat the crap out of a creature that was trying to destroy them?
Originally posted by Raoul
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Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.
At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves.
but thats the point. it started off with them defending themselves. look what happens next. it's just a brutal, bloody beating...
everyone is cheering... doomsday might be an evil little shit, but to do that to him...
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt was a gang-style, extremely brutal beating. For all his power, Doomsday stood absolutely no chance at all against what? A dozen or so pissed off Kryptonians? As for Clark's reaction to the situation, you have to understand that deep down, he cherishes and appreciates life on all levels. He was appalled at what had just happened due to aforementioned reasons, and also because he realized what can happen if/when Kryptonians loose that appreciation for life. T'was a greatly depicted scene, imo.
Well based on what you said somehow The Krpytonians should feel bad about beating up DD. You also stated that there was a difference between Krptonians and Superman, I dunno kinda sounded like you were saying how Supermans reaction was somehow noble.At any rate I don't really see how that scene has to be touching in anyway at all, they just looked like they were defending themselves.
Originally posted by Raoul
but thats the point. it started off with them defending themselves. look what happens next. it's just a brutal, bloody beating...everyone is cheering... doomsday might be an evil little shit, but to do that to him...
Yeah man they beat the shit out of brutal killer.....god how terrible! Considering how danegrous he was it was the right thing to do if they had not held back he might have got up again.
Its one thing critcising people for killing supervillains but when they beat the crap out of some guy who is a vicious killer it just makes Superman look like a snob. Quite frankly some superheros especillay DC superheroes seem to think that their view of justice is better than everybody else.
Originally posted by Galan007
It was a gang-style, extremely brutal beating. For all his power, Doomsday stood absolutely no chance at all against what? A dozen or so pissed off Kryptonians?
Ok I see what you're saying.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah man they beat the shit out of brutal killer.....god how terrible! Considering how danegrous he was it was the right thing to do if they had not held back he might have got up again.Its one thing critcising people for killing supervillains but when they beat the crap out of some guy who is a vicious killer it just makes Superman look like a snob. Quite frankly some superheros especillay DC superheroes seem to think that their view of justice is better than everybody else.
because they cherish life they're automatically snobs?
Originally posted by Raoul
because they cherish life they're automatically snobs?
No it makes them snobs when they criticise other characters idea of justice eg batman trying to lecture Tangent Superman, WW sticking her nose into business that doesnt concern her in JLA which resulted in reality getting messed up etc ( cant be arsed to get the name of the arc).
In this case it would make him a snob if the Kryptonians were just defending themselves. However as Galan explained DD didnt stand a chance.
Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic. In all though im not sure if they did anything that bad, but now I can see Supermans point of view in this instance.
