Most moving scene...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No it makes them snobs when they criticise other characters idea of justice eg batman trying to lecture Tangent Superman, WW sticking her nose into business that doesnt concern her in JLA which resulted in reality getting messed up etc ( cant be arsed to get the name of the arc).

In this case it would make him a snob if the Kryptonians were just defending themselves. However as Galan explained DD didnt stand a chance.

Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic. In all though im not sure if they did anything that bad, but now I can see Supermans point of view in this instance.

tangent superman is a tyrant, pure and simple. any lecturing he gets is well deserved, imo...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im also not aware if all Kryptonains know about DDs origin, if so I would expect them to be more sympathetic.

Originally posted by Raoul
tangent superman is a tyrant, pure and simple. any lecturing he gets is well deserved, imo...

Well considering that Batman continually allows a mass murderer to carry on killing people hes really in no position to judge. At least tangent superman brought peace to his world.

Originally posted by Galan007
Their knowledge of his origin was explained in that very same comic.

and what?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
At least tangent superman brought peace to his world.

so you're saying the ends justify the means, then?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and what?

I just said that. none

That was supposed to be a dodge.

But he apparently isn't skilled in that either.

Originally posted by Raoul
so you're saying the ends justify the means, then?

Nope im not saying that, im saying that Batmans brand of justice could be seen to be injust as well but Batman is too much of a hypocrite to see it. In their own way they are as bad as each other but Tangent obvoulsy on a larger scale ( has more power) .

Originally posted by Galan007
And... They know his origin:

I just said that. none

Yes I know you did, but thats not what I was b*thcing about nevermind.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That was supposed to be a dodge.

But he apparently isn't skilled in that either.

Well considering it wasn't a point dodge......nevermind.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Nope im not saying that, im saying that Batmans brand of justice could be seen to be injust as well but Batman is too much of a hypocrite to see it. In their own way they are as bad as each other but Tangent obvoulsy on a larger scale ( has more power).

how is batman as bad?

Originally posted by Raoul
how is batman as bad?

Well as I stated earlier Batman takes The Joker back to Arkham. Joker breaks out yet again and mass murders and the process begins again. I suspect there are other villains that do the same but the one that springs to mind and I can remember is The Joker.

edit: It could also be argued that Batman is the King of Gotham and basically what Batman says goes. The same way Superman tangent is the ruler of his earth but obvoulsy Tangent is on a larger scale.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well as I stated earlier Batman takes The Joker back to Arkham. Joker breaks out yet again and mass murders and the process begins again. I suspect there are other villains that do the same but the one that springs to mind and I can remember is The Joker.

edit: It could also be argued that Batman is the King of Gotham and basically what Batman says goes. The same way Superman tangent is the ruler of his earth but obvoulsy Tangent is on a larger scale.

any hero that kills, is a killer, be it murder, be it self defence. killing is still causing the death of someone else. batman would never do that, not even to the joker.

and i sincerely doubt batman is the king of gotham. he's more like some guy by a dam plugging holes everytime they appear, imo...

Originally posted by Raoul
any hero that kills, is a killer, be it murder, be it self defence. killing is still causing the death of someone else.
batman would never do that, not even to the joker.

All you have done is explain why batman doesnt do it from his point of view. Giving Batmans reasons for doing things doesnt prove hes better than Superman Tangent or any other character with a different brand of justice.

Originally posted by Raoul

and i sincerely doubt batman is the king of gotham. he's more like some guy by a dam plugging holes everytime they appear, imo...

Lets put it this way if you step out of line he'll stomp you. I don't think the police could stop him if they wanted to either. They couldnt do it in DKR and even Commisoner Gordon said he couldn't stop Batman. Batman is the unofficial king of Gotham what he says goes, so hes got no business telling Superman Tangent how to run his world when he does the same thing.....what a hypocrite.

Just to add to that Golden Perfect was the arc in which WW thought it would be a good idea to stick her nose into business that didn't concern her because she had a different moral point of view. As a result reality got messed up. facepalm

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
All you have done is explain why batman doesnt do it from his point of view. Giving Batmans reasons for doing things doesnt prove hes better than Superman Tangent or any other character with a different brand of justice.

tangent superman deserves to be stopped. he's a tyrant. bringing peace to a world at the expense of personal freedoms is not true peace. its oppression.

Lets put it this way if you step out of line he'll stomp you. I don't think the police could stop him if they wanted to either. They couldnt do it in DKR and even Commisoner Gordon said he couldn't stop Batman. Batman is the unofficial king of Gotham what he says goes, so hes got no business telling Superman Tangent how to run his world when he does the same thing.....what a hypocrite.

You can't use DKR as an example. That's a totally different scenario to what normal bruce is in present day gotham...

Originally posted by Raoul
tangent superman deserves to be stopped. he's a tyrant. bringing peace to a world at the expense of personal freedoms is not true peace. its oppression.

Even in a democracy you have certain restrictions at least in his world you have peace. You don't have to worry about dying an agonising death because Batman keeps letting vilains escape out of Arkham, also you will notice that if somebody like Huntress wanted to stop The Joker from killing again that persons personal freedom to stop a mass murderer is restricted.

Also some people might disagree that might want personal freedoms restricted if it meant that they wouldnt be homless, starving or in danger. Its a matter of opinion. At the end of the day he was more powerful than everybody else and the proof is that he actually managed to create peace on earth.

Originally posted by Raoul

You can't use DKR as an example. That's a totally different scenario to what normal bruce is in present day gotham...

The only difference I can see is that Batman was older also Commmisoner Gordon refers to when Batman first turned up and he stated to the new Commisioner that he couldnt stop him.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Even in a democracy you have certain restrictions at least in his world you have peace. You don't have to worry about dying an agonising death because Batman keeps letting vilains escape out of Arkham, also you will notice that if somebody like Huntress wanted to stop The Joker from killing again that persons personal freedom to stop a mass murderer is restricted.

Also some people might disagree that might want personal freedoms restricted if it meant that they wouldnt be homless, starving or in danger. Its a matter of opinion. At the end of the day he was more powerful than everybody else and the proof is that he actually managed to create peace on earth.

then i guess we disagree on what the term peace actually entails...

The only difference I can see is that Batman was older also Commmisoner Gordon refers to when Batman first turned up and he stated to the new Commisioner that he couldnt stop him.

its frank miller batman. that batman was nothing like the normal batman we have in the comics every month.

plus, if batman ever went rogue, the league would stop him. they learned their lesson after tower of babel...

Absolutly moving.

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Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Absolutly moving.

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well, the earth moved...

Originally posted by Raoul
then i guess we disagree on what the term peace actually entails...

How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?

Originally posted by Raoul

its frank miller batman. that batman was nothing like the normal batman we have in the comics every month.

No really its isn't the difference is that he was more vicious and he killed The Joker after he killed some little children, considering that Batman almost killed Alex Luthor Jr after he almost killed Nightwing there is really no difference. Ive noticed that you keep saying that DKR Batman is nothing like the monthly batman. Stating it over and over again isn't proof.

Originally posted by Raoul

plus, if batman ever went rogue, the league would stop him. they learned their lesson after tower of babel...

Which doesnt prove that batman isn't king of gotham it proves hes not the king of the world.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Absolutly moving.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7173/0003003kj3.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4650/0003004hm0.jpg

Thats messed but like Einnis said this is what would happen if superheroes really existed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?

he made himself absolute ruler... that in itself is problem enough imo...

No really its isn't the difference is that he was more vicious and he killed The Joker after he killed some little children, considering that Batman almost killed Alex Luthor Jr after he almost killed Nightwing there is really no difference. Ive noticed that you keep saying that DKR Batman is nothing like the monthly batman. Stating it over and over again isn't proof.

the key word being 'almost'.

superman, batman, they've all 'almost' killed someone. but they know when to stop. there is a big difference between almost doing something and actually doing it.

Which doesnt prove that batman isn't king of gotham it proves hes not the king of the world.

if he was king of gotham, guys like the joker and the rest of his rogues gallery would be locked up in some f*cked up batman designed prison using martian,kryptonian,apokalyptan and thanagarian technology...

Thats messed but like Einnis said this is what would happen if superheroes really existed.

ennis isn't right, imo... sure, there would be people like that, but there would be good ones too...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
How exactly does he restrict there freedom apart from the fact hes the boss ( maybe im missing something)?

No really its isn't the difference is that he was more vicious and he killed The Joker after he killed some little children, considering that Batman almost killed Alex Luthor Jr after he almost killed Nightwing there is really no difference. Ive noticed that you keep saying that DKR Batman is nothing like the monthly batman. Stating it over and over again isn't proof.

Which doesnt prove that batman isn't king of gotham it proves hes not the king of the world.

Thats messed but like Einnis said this is what would happen if superheroes really existed.

Originally posted by Raoul
he made himself absolute ruler... that in itself is problem enough imo...

Thats just it. Its your opinion. Different cultures and different worlds have different rules. It could be argued that since he actually eradicated crime, poverty and war he should be ruler of his world.

Im sure there would be alot of people who would want to live in Tangents world. Both world have disadvantages and advantages.

Originally posted by Raoul

the key word being 'almost'.

superman, batman, they've all 'almost' killed someone. but they know when to stop. there is a big difference between almost doing something and actually doing it.

No its not. You missed the point. Alex Luthor almost killed Nightwing therefore its not a stretch if he had killed Nightwing Batman would have killed Alex Luthor. According to Hal Jordan Spectre Superman actually killed General Zod and others, so it seems you're wrong there.

Originally posted by Raoul

if he was king of gotham, guys like the joker and the rest of his rogues gallery would be locked up in some f*cked up batman designed prison using martian,kryptonian,apokalyptan and thanagarian technology...

Can you prove this? At any rate that still doesnt change the fact hes allowed The Joker to mass murder again and again. Oh yes ive actually read Tower Of Babel in that arc itself theres no evidence that they have learnt their lesson. I would expect them to be more cautious but since Batman didnt feel he had done anything wrong and Kyle even thought Batman was justified in what he did I dont see how that has any bearing on the JLA wathching how Batman runs Gotham.

Originally posted by Raoul

ennis isn't right, imo... sure, there would be people like that, but there would be good ones too...

Sure.

Originally posted by Badabing
facepalm & dur

*sigh* Gimmie a break will you. 😬