Originally posted by steverules_2
Plus they wanted to get over that 9/11 was a really bad terrible thing and effected all the marvel heroes/villains in a really sad dramatic way
But it shouldn't have. Couple of planes knocked down two towes. Big deal.
Super robot takes out 16 millions, barely mentioned again.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But it shouldn't have. Couple of planes knocked down two towes. Big deal.Super robot takes out 16 millions, barely mentioned again.
Yeah but thats not what the comic writers were aiming for...they wanted to make it into a big deal which it was for America and other people around the world, I thought it was pretty bad.
The spiderman comics are American so they are gonna make 9/11 into a big deal in the comic.
Originally posted by Kris Blazeby comic standards, he wouldn't. however, that comic was obviously made from a 'real world' point of view.
Really?I was more like, why does Doom care?
what i found moving is that we saw most earth-bound characters [both hero and villain alike] had been shocked by the WTC event. granted, doom shedding a tear may have been a bit over the top, but that was just an avenue for the writers to ingrain in our minds just how devastating this was. we also see heroes working along side the firefighters searching for survivors. we see public outrage expressed toward the heroes for their failure in preventing this tragedy. we see the sense of disbelief, and shock are almost too overwhelming for most characters [mainly spider-man] to handle.
it was a cold dose of reality many people. why? because this was a real world tragedy that NO hero could fix - and that's something that is rarely touched on throughout comics.
Originally posted by Galan007
it was a cold dose of reality many people. why? because this was a real world tragedy that NO hero could fix - and that's something that is rarely touched on throughout comics.
Well, many could fix it. Any person with reality warping powers could fix it.
Dr. Doom himself could hop on one of his time platforms, go back in time dressed as a doctor and be like:
"Vell, congratulations Mrs. Bin Laden, eet iss a boy. Eet is also VERY DEAD!", and kill it.
It's rarely touched on for this very reason.
What would be the point in having terrorist threats? You can just get rid of terrorists. You can't just get rid of Dr. Doom or Magneto.
If S.H.I.E.L.D. were real or whatever, they'd just say "Yo, Rhodes. Go speng over to Afghanistan will you?".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centaurii don't believe doom had a 'reliable' time machine back then.
Well, many could fix it. Any person with reality warping powers could fix it.Dr. Doom himself could hop on one of his time platforms, go back in time dressed as a doctor and be like:
"Vell, congratulations Mrs. Bin Laden, eet iss a boy. Eet is also VERY DEAD!", and kill it.
It's rarely touched on for this very reason.
What would be the point in having terrorist threats? You can just get rid of terrorists. You can't just get rid of Dr. Doom or Magneto.
If S.H.I.E.L.D. were real or whatever, they'd just say "Yo, Rhodes. Go speng over to Afghanistan will you?".
-AC
regardless, the comic was made to directly mimic real world happenings - and those are something no character(s) can fix. that was the whole point behind the issue.
Originally posted by Doctor-Alvisi agree, to an extent. comics can deal with broad social issues quite easily... and quite well [speedy and harry osborne on drugs, anyone?] however, when marvel decided to essentially shoehorn the WTC events into a comic world populated by flying norse gods and umpteen ubermen, it bordered on cheapening the immense struggles the police, firemen, and regular citizens faced imo. hell, i'm sure they would've certainly appreciated having the thing chucking girders out of the way in their search for survivors - but he wasn't. etc.
I can't get over how poorly it fits in the comic universe.
overall though, i thought the issue was fairly impacting.
Originally posted by Galan007
i agree, to an extent. comics can deal with broad social issues quite easily... and quite well [speedy and harry osborne on drugs, anyone?] however, when marvel decided to essentially shoehorn the WTC events into a comic world populated by flying norse gods and umpteen ubermen, it bordered on cheapening the immense struggles the police, firemen, and regular citizens faced imo. hell, i'm sure they would've certainly appreciated having the thing chucking girders out of the way in their search for survivors - but he wasn't. etc.overall though, i thought the issue was fairly impacting.
I find it quite silly really Doom and Juggernuat shouldn't care at all.
And i'm sure Magneto has done way worse.
I understand Spider-man and them being upset but some of the villians just wouldn't care at all. And most of them do way worse then any real life event.
Besides the fact at how easy something like that could have been prevented in their world. Iron could have been sitting at home and some alert goes off and jumps outside ahndles the whole thing.
I get what they were trying to do but really with all the shit that happens to them that isn't bad at all.
Originally posted by Galan007
by comic standards, he wouldn't. however, that comic was obviously made from a 'real world' point of view.what i found moving is that we saw most earth-bound characters [both hero and villain alike] had been shocked by the WTC event. granted, doom shedding a tear may have been a bit over the top, but that was just an avenue for the writers to ingrain in our minds just how devastating this was. we also see heroes working along side the firefighters searching for survivors. we see public outrage expressed toward the heroes for their failure in preventing this tragedy. we see the sense of disbelief, and shock are almost too overwhelming for most characters [mainly spider-man] to handle.
it was a cold dose of reality many people. why? because this was a real world tragedy that NO hero could fix - and that's something that is rarely touched on throughout comics.
How did any of these heroes fail? Failure implies that they actually tried. Pretty much any super-hero team could've stopped those planes the government sent into WTC and Pentagon. How you can be moved by that bullshti is beyond me. More people drop dead every day in Africa and I barely see anybody paying tribute to them.
If some writer wants to address the oh-so-real problems in the world, he oughta start by something not-so-insignificant.
An example of an incredibly moving scene to me is from Karen Paige's funeral from Kevin Smith's Guardian Devil run on Daredevil. Matt's expected to say something but then just stammers briefly, walks away from the podium, puts his hand on the casket and says "I'll miss you", and then walks out. It's especially moving because this woman jerked him around more than any superhero girlfriend I can think of. Hell, she was directly responsible for tearing his life apart for several years and he still forgave her.
Kids in Africa die from natural, albeit still unsettling, causes.
It's a shame they've got no food or water, but that's what naturally happens when you have neither.
They weren't killed on a regular day by terrorists.
I'm not saying the people killed in the W.T.C. were more of a loss, just explaining why it was perhaps sadder.
Originally posted by -Pr-
you're just uber cynical about everything, aren't you. 😛
Yes, but the W.T.C. event was the only news event that has ever brought a tear to my eye. I found it terribly tragic, but the fact is that it got overblown. Case in point; those tribute issues.
-AC
