The Lizard vs Captain America

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Sure if Cap just stands there he could decapitate etc him. Yet you completely ignore Cap's shield. Lizard's claws mean jack against the shield. Do you understand this?

2.No he can't KO him with the tail again because Cap has his shield. Also even if he hits Cap full on with the tail and manages to get around the shield.........Cap has taken worse punishment and would not go down easily. That is with the tail, just so you understand.

who said anything about his shield?......duh it could withstand his claws/tail.....it's stronger than freakin adamantium 😆

lizard can one shot cap with his tail cause he has oneshotted those more durable, period.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HF is constantly flowing through his body, that's why. And what extreme feats he has, except for taking a dozen or so bullets?

who said his HF was constantly on......he has no adamantium skeleton ya know.

he has one feat where he pretty much gets ripped apart and tossed of a large building.......he immediately gets up and keeps on movin

there's more.......haven't been to the thread in a while so that's just off the top of my head

Originally posted by namorsubby
do you have lizard confused with wolverine?

who said his HF was constantly on......he has no adamantium skeleton ya know.

HE'S A FREAKIN' LIZARD, that's why his HF is constantly on... geez...

And what adamantium skeleton has to do about this? It doesn't trigger mutant HF, look at bone claw Logan.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HE'S A FREAKIN' LIZARD, that's why his HF is constantly on... geez...

And what adamantium skeleton has to do about this? It doesn't trigger mutant HF, look at bone claw Logan.

logan's body is always healing because of his adamantium skeleton

Originally posted by namorsubby
wow..........i guess you don't realize that cap's durability and cap's shield's durability are two different things entirely 😉

who said anything about his shield?......duh it could withstand his claws/tail.....it's stronger than freakin adamantium 😆

lizard can one shot cap with his tail cause he has oneshotted those more durable, period.

1. Hope you are joking.

2.Yes his shield. The sole reason why I think Cap survives and even wins here. It totally negates Lizard's attacks and can utterly hurt him.

3.No. Cap's durability showings say otherwise. Many against stronger foes than the Lizard. By the way which foes has Lizard oneshotted?

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Hope you are joking.

2.Yes his shield. The sole reason why I think Cap survives and even wins here. It totally negates Lizard's attacks and can utterly hurt him.

3.No. Cap's durability showings say otherwise. Many against stronger foes than the Lizard. By the way which foes has Lizard oneshotted?

1. 🤨 what is that even supposed to mean??? cap's body's durabiltiy and his shield are 2 different matters, period. i wasn't speaking of cap's shield.....i was speaking of his own durability.

2.the shield is only as fast as the weilder.......he won't effectively block, attack or evade against someone so much faster/durable.......and if he does hurt lizard......then the healing factor comes into play.

3.lizard pretty much has one consistent foe,spidey. who he has one shotted......who is more durable than cap. get it?

again, curt can one shot cap because he has oneshotted those more durable(aka spidey), period.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol....that means nothing at all. curt has far more extensive healing than a lizard. a lizard loses a limb.....then regrows it.......how does that imply there healing is constant in anyway? besides, curt does way more than limbs.

That's how biology works. He doesn't scream "BY TEH POWAH OF AZGARD!!!" in order to activate regenerative factor. Common sense.

logan's body is always healing because of his adamantium skeleton

*sigh* So you did or did not make it through Wolverine's thread? 😬 Yes, his HF is always trying to push adamantium out of him and curing him from metal poisoning... but this metal doesn't trigger the HF. It's constantly on.

fine, you win, really.............but we're a bit off-topic.🙄

lizard wins because he outclasses cap....to put it simply

Originally posted by namorsubby
1. 🤨 what is that even supposed to mean??? cap's body's durabiltiy and his shield are 2 different matters, period. i wasn't speaking of cap's shield.....i was speaking of his own durability.

2.the shield is only as fast as the weilder.......he won't effectively block, attack or evade against someone so much faster/durable.......and if he does hurt lizard......then the healing factor comes into play.

3.lizard pretty much has one consistent foe,spidey. who he has one shotted......who is more durable than cap. get it?

again, curt can one shot cap because he has oneshotted those more durable(aka spidey), period.

1.I meant I hoped you were joking about me thinking Cap was as durable as his shield.

2.Lizard is not speed blitzing Cap. He is faster but he is not speed blitzing him. Cap has enough speed,reflexes and fighting ability to compete IMO.

3.Lol. You underestimte Cap's durability. Far,far,far stronger foes then Lizard have regularly failed to deck Cap with blunt force. Couple this with his other durability showings and his armour.

Honestly I now don't even think Spidey is that durable.One shotting him is not impressive. Hell he was hurt by Cap's punches.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1.I meant I hoped you were joking about me thinking Cap was as durable as his shield.

2.Lizard is not speed blitzing Cap. He is faster but he is not speed blitzing him. Cap has enough speed,reflexes and fighting ability to compete IMO.

3.Lol. You underestimte Cap's durability. Far,far,far stronger foes then Lizard have regularly failed to deck Cap with blunt force. Couple this with his other durability showings and his armour.

Honestly I now don't even think Spidey is that durable.One shotting him is not impressive. Hell he was hurt by Cap's punches.

2.who said anything about a speed blitz.......he would simply outmanuver him pretty much ever step of the way.

3.do you not get that when you oneshot someone more durable than another, that you can also one shot the other?

4.lol.......probabaly one of the lowest showings spidey has, definitely not the norm.bottom line he's withstood more than cap and regular withstands more than cap.......and that makes him more durable.

Originally posted by namorsubby
fine, you win, really.............but we're a bit off-topic.🙄

lizard wins because he outclasses cap....to put it simply

Right, we don't want Logan in this thread ✅ Seems to me that he has to make at least a few guest appearances a day even in forum threads not concerning him 😄

So, back to the topic...

Credit for the scans goes to Phantom Zone.

^U.S.Agent is Class 10. Has a superhuman durability as well. Rogers deals with him quickly via pressure points... it may not work on The Lizard, but it shows how Steve is able to effortlessly block a superhuman punch coming from behind...

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.fine,whatever

2.who said anything about a speed blitz.......he would simply outmanuver him pretty much ever step of the way.

3.do you not get that when you oneshot someone more durable than another, that you can also one shot the other?

4.lol.......probabaly one of the lowest showings spidey has, definitely not the norm.bottom line he's withstood more than cap and regular withstands more than cap.......and that makes him more durable.

Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact that blood lusted Iron Man, Beast,Namor, part of a skyscraper,superhuman Redskull using several apartment walls then eventually the whole apartment,Spiderman and many many more things have failed to KO Cap quickly, tells me Lizard won't be koing cap quickly with blunt force.

Spiderman has regularly been shown to get hurt by skilled street levelers.

Anyway I've said my peice. 🙂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Credit for the scans goes to Phantom Zone.

^U.S.Agent is Class 10. Has a superhuman durability as well. Rogers deals with him quickly via pressure points... it may not work on The Lizard, but it shows how Steve is able to effortlessly block a superhuman punch coming from behind...

Which issue is that from?

I'd like to know. It's canon for sure. Like I said, credit goes to Phantom Zone... I've found it in Cap's thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390466&pagenumber=14

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'd like to know. It's canon for sure. Like I said, credit goes to Phantom Zone... I've found it in Cap's thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=390466&pagenumber=14

👆

Thought it was some new issue I had missed lol.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Fair enough. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The fact that blood lusted Iron Man, Beast,Namor, part of a skyscraper,superhuman Redskull using several apartment walls then eventually the whole apartment,Spiderman and many many more things have failed to KO Cap quickly, tells me Lizard won't be koing cap quickly with blunt force.

Spiderman has regularly been shown to get hurt by skilled street levelers.

Anyway I've said my peice. 🙂

does cap really have that much over spidey? can he really achieve what spiderman can't physically?

you gotta be kiddin.......spidey is not regularly hurt by street levelers. take cap's last fight with him for example. no one ever takes the time to realize that despite all those hard hits cap got in......he never manages to hurt spidey enough to make him go down or keep him from continuing virtually undetered. cap was going all out and taking advantage of peter's guilt/hesitation and still didn't really beat spidey at all. if it was a fight to KO......would cap really have come out victorious?

this is cap vs spidey - guilt - hesistation + power/durability/healing factor, savagry etc

Originally posted by namorsubby

does cap really have that much over spidey? can he really achieve what spiderman can't physically?

you gotta be kiddin.......spidey is not regularly hurt by street levelers. take cap's last fight with him for example. no one ever takes the time to realize that despite all those hard hits cap got in......he never manages to hurt spidey enough to make him go down or keep him from continuing virtually undetered. cap was going all out and taking advantage of peter's guilt/hesitation and still didn't really beat spidey at all. if it was a fight to KO......would cap really have come out victorious?

1. Well we can't doubt Cap's durability feats. His speed feats aren't far behind either. Nothing was said about Cap beingphysically superior. 😕

2.DD has hurt him numerous times in the past. Taskmaster has. Cap did when they fought. Come on the fact that Spidey said URRK or HURRK whenever Cap punched him tells you he was hurt. Not knocked out, but hurt.

And no in a barehanded fight I think Spiderman would beat cap. In a barehanded fight I think the Lizard would beat Cap. Yet this isn't barehanded is it? Cap has his shield.

Originally posted by Warrior18
1. Well we can't doubt Cap's durability feats. His speed feats aren't far behind either. Nothing was said about Cap beingphysically superior. 😕

2.DD has hurt him numerous times in the past. Taskmaster has. Cap did when they fought. Come on the fact that Spidey said URRK or HURRK whenever Cap punched him tells you he was hurt. Not knocked out, but hurt.

And no in a barehanded fight I think Spiderman would beat cap. In a barehanded fight I think the Lizard would beat Cap. Yet this isn't barehanded is it? Cap has his shield.

Realistically, Cap shouldn't win this without massive PIS.

The lizard is as fast or faster than spiderman is, without spidey's tendency to hold back or not kill. Spiderman has shown on NUMEROUS occasions that he's fast enough to dodge cap's shield and DD's truncheons. Even if cap has his shield, throwing it like a projectile with the intention of KO'ing the lizard is highly unlikely to work. he'll simply dodge it or swat it out of the air.

So you're left with Steve trying to use it to block the lizard's strikes. Ok, we've seen the shield take hits from people as strong as gladiator and absorb the damage.

problem here: so has the lizard. it's common freaking knowledge how strong the shield is, and the lizard has genius level intellect. The shield also does NOT cover all of roger's body. if he's standing, his legs are vulnerable. if he's crouching, his back is exposed and he can't maneuver or attack well that way- at least not fast enough to counter someone with lizard's speed.

Lizard is going to go for the exposed areas the shield doesn't cover. And don't forget Lizard has five appendages to attack with- he can (and has) easily struck with hands and feet while using the tail to KO from below or to the sides. If Lizard goes to grapple Cap, tying up his arms, he can easily go for the legs with the tail at the SAME TIME to take cap off his feet and immobilize him.

Lizard's durability and HF are also so high that standard strikes from steve are unlikely to phase him. Steve gets a couple good shots in, Lizard is going to keep coming at him. Lizard gets a couple good shots in, that's lights out for steve- or at the very least, steve is going to be dizzy and disoriented.

Lizard has every advantage in this fight. higher OVERALL durability, higher speed, healing factor, and what essentially amounts to a REALLY LONG extra arm. Toss in the fact that lizard isn't human and has rock hard skin, and pressure points are highly unlikely to work as well. (lizard and human nervous systems aren't equivalent at all, and connors is some kind of hybrid.)

Lizard takes this 9/10

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Realistically, Cap shouldn't win this without massive PIS.

The lizard is as fast or faster than spiderman is, without spidey's tendency to hold back or not kill. Spiderman has shown on NUMEROUS occasions that he's fast enough to dodge cap's shield and DD's truncheons. Even if cap has his shield, throwing it like a projectile with the intention of KO'ing the lizard is highly unlikely to work. he'll simply dodge it or swat it out of the air.

So you're left with Steve trying to use it to block the lizard's strikes. Ok, we've seen the shield take hits from people as strong as gladiator and absorb the damage.

problem here: so has the lizard. it's common freaking knowledge how strong the shield is, and the lizard has genius level intellect. The shield also does NOT cover all of roger's body. if he's standing, his legs are vulnerable. if he's crouching, his back is exposed and he can't maneuver or attack well that way- at least not fast enough to counter someone with lizard's speed.

Lizard is going to go for the exposed areas the shield doesn't cover. And don't forget Lizard has [b]five appendages to attack with- he can (and has) easily struck with hands and feet while using the tail to KO from below or to the sides. If Lizard goes to grapple Cap, tying up his arms, he can easily go for the legs with the tail at the SAME TIME to take cap off his feet and immobilize him.

Lizard's durability and HF are also so high that standard strikes from steve are unlikely to phase him. Steve gets a couple good shots in, Lizard is going to keep coming at him. Lizard gets a couple good shots in, that's lights out for steve- or at the very least, steve is going to be dizzy and disoriented.

Lizard has every advantage in this fight. higher OVERALL durability, higher speed, healing factor, and what essentially amounts to a REALLY LONG extra arm. Toss in the fact that lizard isn't human and has rock hard skin, and pressure points are highly unlikely to work as well. (lizard and human nervous systems aren't equivalent at all, and connors is some kind of hybrid.)

Lizard takes this 9/10 [/B]

Good post.
I was actually about to say I have massively changed my opinion on this fight after reviewing the Lizard respect thread. I had severely underated his healing factor.

I'm going to go for Lizard 8/10 here. The 2 for Cap being because....well he is Cap! 😄
I like your argument because you didn't say what many think, which is that the Lizard can one shot Cap with blunt force. Also I like the fact that you didn't lowball or flat out deny Cap's durability feats. 🙂

Originally posted by Warrior18
Which issue is that from?

Its a invaders issue IIRC.