The Lizard vs Captain America

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Is Griffin as fast as Spiderman?

Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey.

I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine 😖hifty🙂 He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it.

Exactly. Insane fighting skills and indestructible shield are the main reasons how Cap wins in the fights against metahumans.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine 😖hifty🙂 He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it.

cap just isn't getting past his durability, and healing factor. he's at least just as fast as spidey and stronger.....and not held back by guilt or not wanting to really hurt anybody........i don't see how cap can win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His HF does not prevent him from gettin KO'd.

He did however ignored Cap's speed feats 😛

You hear me, 'subby? 😠

Originally posted by namorsubby
his reptilian skin protects him from a KO.......just as it protects him from explosions, johnny's flames, spidey's all out punches, bullets, energy attacks, etc

It ain't gonna protect him from attacks with indestructible shield though 😬

Originally posted by namorsubby
peter evades most of his attacks???.......he has problems hurting spidey????

Yeah, Peter evades majority of his attacks. If he didn't, he'd be dead. Common sense.

Originally posted by namorsubby
wrong.....lizard is no longer savage......he's extremely intelligent......he's not a savage animal biting and clawing.........i'd still say lizard either way though, honestly.

cap just isn't getting past his durability, and healing factor. he's at least just as fast as spidey and stronger.....and not held back by guilt or not wanting to really hurt anybody........i don't see how cap can win.

Extremely intelligent yes, but he lacks the tactical intelligence.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It ain't gonna protect him from attacks with indestructible shield though 😬

Yeah, Peter evades majority of his attacks. If he didn't, he'd be dead. Common sense.

Extremely intelligent yes, but he lacks the tactical intelligence.

1.have to have enough strength behind that shield to make a difference

2.peter evades the majority of his attacks? 😆

.........there is a thread ya know.....might wanna take a look and see just how effective peter is in evading him.lol

3. doesn't matter........he has so much of a physical advantage in all categories

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btw, if peter evaded him most of the time.......then why would anyone say he has spidey level speed/agility?

Originally posted by namorsubby
1.have to have enough strength behind that shield to make a difference

2.peter evades the majority of his attacks? 😆

.........there is a thread ya know.....might wanna take a look and see just how effective peter is in evading him.lol

3. doesn't matter........he has so much of a physical advantage in all categories

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btw, if peter evaded him most of the time.......then why would anyone say he has spidey level speed/agility?

1. Oh, he is strong enough, believe me.

2. Been in your thread. Seen stuff. And you know what? Pete always wins somehow. Lizard never crippled him. Also, I have to notice that there were a few of cheap shots and distractions (working in Lizard's favor)... tsk-tsk. Not to mention that Parker tends to hold back because he cares for Connors. And they had more fights, didn't they?

3. Doesn't matter? It doesn't matter that Cap's been adept in every fighting style known to man? I beg to differ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Oh, he is strong enough, believe me.

2. Been in your thread. Seen stuff. And you know what? Pete always wins somehow. Lizard never crippled him. Also, I have to notice that there were a few of cheap shots and distractions (working in Lizard's favor)... tsk-tsk. Not to mention that Parker tends to hold back because he cares for Connors. And they had more fights, didn't they?

3. Doesn't matter? It doesn't matter that Cap's been adept in every fighting style known to man? I beg to differ.

1.in regular showings, he certainly isn't.

2. peter has never beaten the lizard straight up without a plot device/circumstances.....except in marvel adventures which is non-canon. lizard has messed up his arm pretty bad actually. and if you're really trying to say lizard only manages to own him due to cheap shots/distractions.......well, you're just plain incorrect.

4.you can beg to differ if you want to.......but his skills simply don't compensate for his major disadvantages.

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BTW, "peters always wins somehow"?...........😆, maybe you didn't look as hard as you thought you did. he's been owned several times and they have stalemates as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Probably yes. It's hard to say though 'cause Peter has this spider-sense and super agility, not to mention he's just extremely lucky.

So you got no proof?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Is Lizard as fast as Spiderman? Theoretically he's faster and just as agile. His animal senses don't suck either. But then again, how does Peter manage to avoid most of these claw attacks, tail attacks and bites? If Lizard were truly significantly faster, he wouldn't have so much problems with hurting Spidey.

From the looks of the respect thread Spiderman doesnt avoid most of those attacks.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I think the major deciding point here is that Lizard isn't a good fighter. He doesn't have nearly any combat training nor does he rely on his smarts, he's pretty much just an animal clawing away (like Wolverine 😖hifty🙂 He wouldn't know about the multiple ways Cap could hit him, nor would he able to counter Cap's melee barrage.

At least Spider-man has developed his own fighting style focused around his superhuman agility. Cap takes it.

Superhuman speed compensates for lack of skill and LIzard is arguably faster.

Resurrection! 💃

Originally posted by jalek moye
i'e never seen a meta human in any comic in the last decade hurt his hand on the shield.

OK... this one ain't canon, but still...

Credit goes to jin.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Superhuman speed compensates for lack of skill and LIzard is arguably faster.

Meh. In the combat it won't make the difference, Cap is always a few steps ahead of his untrained opponents...

All there is to say is that Lizard gets NO where NEAR enough respect.
Lizard at the least 7.5/10.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Meh. In the combat it won't make the difference, Cap is always a few steps ahead of his untrained opponents...

Also, one hit from Lizard > one hit from Pete

Originally posted by Mindset
Not really a good example, Cap has intimate knowledge of Pete's movements and fighting style.

Also, one hit from Lizard > one hit from Pete

Lizzy's all about power. Cap KO'd the friggin' Wrecker.

Mighty Shield Bash > Batkick 😉

Cap wrecks him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Mighty Shield Bash > Batkick 😉

Cap wins. The fight would probably go down a lot like this one...

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