Apocalypse vs PC Karate Kid

Originally posted by Bentley
Deathstroke has tagged Flash. He wouldn't have a chance in hell against Apoc.

Did he win? How hurt were they? Val has yet to win a single battle against a decent top tier.

Apocalypse immense molecular transmutation advantage. See what I did there?

First of all, there are not such things are "fighting someone with Val's MA skill" he is a freak. Not that it matters, how many people have put down Apoc physically?

So u just compared deathstroke to Val, how many people have physically dominated Val by that same token.

I just compared Val's feat to Deathstroke to prove tagging Flash doesn't mean speedblitzing people left and right, which is your claim.

Apocalypse doesn't need to own KK physically, he has plenty of options, Val is the one who is a one dimensional brick.

Originally posted by Surtur
PC karate kid was causing PC superboy pain.

So really, one swift punch and apoc should be down, I won't even get into the massive massive speed advantage he has over poccy. Sure, Apocalypse has the potential to be a beast, but he'll never reach a level where he can shrug off hits from someone who caused a PC kryptonian pain, it's just that simple. He can adjust his molecular structure all he wants. Wait..he can't, seeing as he won't have any time to even form a coherent thought before getting tagged.

Remember, even post crisis karate kid is fast enough to dodge heat vision and tear people apart that give supergirl trouble while dying, pc val was dodging speed force charged lightning for christs sake. He also broke inerton, which even PC superboy..you know the guy who tugs dozens of planets around casually? A feat so beyond apocalypse there isn't a mathematical percentage in existence that would show just how much more powerful he is than apoc.. Yeah, PC superboy needed the strength of insanity to break them.

Apoc is nice, but he's out of his league with PC val or really anybody that can make a pc kryptonian take pause.

^ a fist would also pass easily through him, or he could just turn into a more maluable form.

Right. Hurting PC Supes is fine and all, but PC Supes can't alter his molecular structure to become exponentially more dense, or completely intangible. Starting from 500 m away, Val shouldn't have a chance in hell. He's got H2H speed, not bullrush superspeed.

Originally posted by Bentley
I just compared Val's feat to Deathstroke to prove tagging Flash doesn't mean speedblitzing people left and right, which is your claim.

Apocalypse doesn't need to own KK physically, he has plenty of options, Val is the one who is a one dimensional brick.

Brick, right because Val's h2h speed is roughly equal to Thing and Hulk or SS. Val's physical strike is enough to shatter the Emerald Eye of Ekron which PC supes,Ultra Boy and mon-el all failed to do...and those 3 are >>>>>>>>Apco by the way. So thinking Val's punches won't be able to "take out Apoc phyiscally"is just....well is just foolish. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/SLSH-198-15.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Adventure378-19.jpg

While weakened dodges Validus mental bolt which even Mon-El couldn't do. So to say he is a brick is a rather poor argument, Apco is over when Val connects a single blow.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. Hurting PC Supes is fine and all, but PC Supes can't alter his molecular structure to become exponentially more dense, or completely intangible. Starting from 500 m away, Val shouldn't have a chance in hell. He's got H2H speed, not bullrush superspeed.

Right, PC supes can't alter his molecular structure...he can only take a blast equal to magnetic force of several galaxies. Val could always stomp his feet and localize the impact to where Apoc is standing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37...apocmorph3.png

^ a fist would also pass easily through him, or he could just turn into a more maluable form.

I made a mistake, technically PC KK and current KK are the same person.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I made a mistake, technically PC KK and current KK are the same person.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, PC supes can't alter his molecular structure...he can only take a blast equal to magnetic force of several galaxies.

Supes has never done so. What you're referring to, Supes had already been hit by Magor's blast and was flying away when he threatened to hit him with the force of a hundred galaxies. There's no proof that the blast which sent him flying was in fact that blast.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, PC supes can't alter his molecular structure...he can only take a blast equal to magnetic force of several galaxies. Val could always stomp his feet and localize the impact to where Apoc is standing.

Apocalypse tagged Quicksilver D:

He's not the flash, still a speedster.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Brick, right because Val's h2h speed is roughly equal to Thing and Hulk or SS.

Is that SS supposed to be Silver Surfer? I really hope not.

Its good to know that Val can break things that are standing there not defending themselves at all and that have defined forms. Any martial artist will tell you how such moves differ greatly from those employed in fights.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Supes has never done so. What you're referring to, Supes had already been hit by Magor's blast and was flying away when he threatened to hit him with the force of a hundred galaxies. There's no proof that the blast which sent him flying was in fact that blast.

umm....wow thats all I can say.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
umm....wow thats all I can say.

I left you speechless? Ha! Now you know what it feels like, forcing all of us to debate intelligently while looking at your sigs and avy.

Originally posted by Bentley
Is that SS supposed to be Silver Surfer? I really hope not.

Its good to know that Val can break things that are standing there not defending themselves at all and that have defined forms. Any martial artist will tell you how such moves differ greatly from those employed in fights.

...its a indicator to his stiking power oh and yes I did refer to SS who has brick level speed in terms of h2h. The mere fact that KK has been able to "hang"and even injury PC kryptonians is a testament to his physical ability.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I left you speechless? Ha! Now you know what it feels like, forcing all of us to debate intelligently while looking at your sigs and avy.

I was gonna go for some semi-nude ones but damn, all the models had the outfits wrong.

Originally posted by Nihilist
so he can run 500 mt flash speed before apoc can move

Originally posted by darthgoober
Do you have a scan of him actually hurting PC Supes? Because the only encounter I can think of wasn't even between KK and PC Superman, it was between KK and PC SuperBOY. And from what I remember, he didn't actually hurt him he just used SB's momentum to throw him up against the wall or something like that...

Zero Hour, Val made a super-durable, super strong being from another gravity cough up blood. Plus DESTROYING Interon. A indestructable metal. Val can find weaknesses in anything.

Originally posted by Nihilist
so he can run 500 mt flash speed before apoc can move

I'll give you another Karate Kid feat. Just so you know how formidable he is. Val has dodged LIGHTNING AFTER he was hit from it.

Val has wrestled with a Pre-Crisis DAXAMITE and KRYPTONIAN before Apoc was even created. BEINGS far STRONGER and FASTER than Apoc.

Val has rejected TELEPATHIC assualts from Saturn Girl. Someone far more advanced than Apoc in the TP area. And Saturn Girl is hailed from a planet of advanced telepaths. She's the greatest in her moon.

How do you dodge something after it has already hit you?

Also not sure if Saturn Girl is stronger tp than Apoc, isn't Apoc at least as strong as Xavier?