Apocalypse vs PC Karate Kid

Originally posted by Mindset
How do you dodge something after it has already hit you?

Also not sure if Saturn Girl is stronger tp than Apoc, isn't Apoc at least as strong as Xavier?

I have no clue on how he did. Basically Pre-Crisis Karate Kid is almost unbeatable. I know this all sounds stupid, but the only real beating he had was Nemesis Kid. But he had the power to defeat any single opponent, so...

And Saturn Girl is on Xavier's level. Probing the universe for life forms is pretty up there. But this may be a Zero Hour feat, not sure.

And thinking about this fight again, I'm giving Val the majority.

Someone who can go toe to toe with the FATAL FIVE BY HIMSELF will get my vote. And yes, this includes VALIDUS. Who would crush Apoc, IMO. Val fled, but he did pretty good for a while.

Val also defeated an ENTIRE PRISON of the universes most powerful criminals. All by his lonesome.

Yes, Val is THAT good.

Originally posted by cloud102
I'll give you another Karate Kid feat. Just so you know how formidable he is. Val has dodged LIGHTNING AFTER he was hit from it.

Val has wrestled with a Pre-Crisis DAXAMITE and KRYPTONIAN before Apoc was even created. BEINGS far STRONGER and FASTER than Apoc.

Val has rejected TELEPATHIC assualts from Saturn Girl. Someone far more advanced than Apoc in the TP area. And Saturn Girl is hailed from a planet of advanced telepaths. She's the greatest in her moon.

I think Val was weakened by something else but with his remaining strenght dodged the lighting.

Originally posted by cloud102
I have no clue on how he did. Basically Pre-Crisis Karate Kid is almost unbeatable. I know this all sounds stupid, but the only real beating he had was Nemesis Kid. But he had the power to defeat any single opponent, so...

And Saturn Girl is on Xavier's level. Probing the universe for life forms is pretty up there. But this may be a Zero Hour feat, not sure.

And thinking about this fight again, I'm giving Val the majority.

Someone who can go toe to toe with the FATAL FIVE BY HIMSELF will get my vote. And yes, this includes VALIDUS. Who would crush Apoc, IMO. Val fled, but he did pretty good for a while.

Val also defeated an ENTIRE PRISON of the universes most powerful criminals. All by his lonesome.

Yes, Val is THAT good.

Originally posted by Bentley Deathstroke has tagged Flash. He wouldn't have a chance in hell against Apoc.

The difference is Val normally operates at a much higher level than Deathstroke. He actually has other feats showing vastly high reflexes and movement speed, Deathstroke overall hasn't shown to be anywhere near flash fast, pc Val has.

Did he win? How hurt were they? Val has yet to win a single battle against a decent top tier.

He fought Superboy more than once. The first time Superboy sort of didn't take it seriously and Val did well. However, the second time he was actually trying and still Val was able to keep up with his speed, and actually hurt him. Did Val win? No, it was clear Superboy was more powerful, but the point is Val kept up with his speed, and actually hurt him. These are the same beings who tug around planets and yet can pound on each other all day without even a bruise.

Val has yet to win against a decent top tier? post crisis Val has taken down Mon'el, and recently while dying owned someone, literally tore them apart..this same creature was giving Supergirl problems.

He's done stuff like save a city from an earthquake by tapping his foot on the ground. He can do a lot of funky stuff.

Apocalypse immense molecular transmutation advantage. See what I did there?

This takes time, the fact that Val is much faster and I doubt Apoc can even pull this after he's been hit even once.

First of all, there are not such things are "fighting someone with Val's MA skill" he is a freak. Not that it matters, how many people have put down Apoc physically? [/B]

Apocalypse, during his overall career, has been hurt consistency by all manner of things which are incapable of delivering the type of force needed to hurt pc Superboy. It's safe to say Val can hurt him. Val will most likely wind up accidently punching his head off.

Originally posted by Surtur
The difference is Val normally operates at a much higher level than Deathstroke. He actually has other feats showing vastly high reflexes and movement speed, Deathstroke overall hasn't shown to be anywhere near flash fast, pc Val has.

He fought Superboy more than once. The first time Superboy sort of didn't take it seriously and Val did well. However, the second time he was actually trying and still Val was able to keep up with his speed, and actually hurt him. Did Val win? No, it was clear Superboy was more powerful, but the point is Val kept up with his speed, and actually hurt him. These are the same beings who tug around planets and yet can pound on each other all day without even a bruise.

Val has yet to win against a decent top tier? post crisis Val has taken down Mon'el, and recently while dying owned someone, literally tore them apart..this same creature was giving Supergirl problems.

He's done stuff like save a city from an earthquake by tapping his foot on the ground. He can do a lot of funky stuff.

This takes time, the fact that Val is much faster and I doubt Apoc can even pull this after he's been hit even once.

Apocalypse, during his overall career, has been hurt consistency by all manner of things which are incapable of delivering the type of force needed to hurt pc Superboy. It's safe to say Val can hurt him. Val will most likely wind up accidently punching his head off.

Originally posted by Nihilist
the thread strter stated both combatents are at thier peak.
peak apoc was his original body,as for punching his head off he can remove his head a still function great,also he can reform from being dissloved into a puddle of liquid.theres not a lot val can do to him.

Even at his peak, Apoc can't just shrug off punches from someone of Val's power. If Apoc reforms, Val is fast enough to simply hit him again before he can use his powers to do anything else. So I guess this would continue until Val passes out from exhaustion. That is one way for Apocalypse to achieve victory.

Originally posted by Surtur
Even at his peak, Apoc can't just shrug off punches from someone of Val's power. If Apoc reforms, Val is fast enough to simply hit him again before he can use his powers to do anything else. So I guess this would continue until Val passes out from exhaustion. That is one way for Apocalypse to achieve victory.

Originally posted by Nihilist
he laughed off punches from ikaris and black bolts scream and high e's blast.they all had no effect on him.

Ikaris, while powerful, isn't pc Superboy level tho.

As for Blackbolt, didn't he survive a whisper, not a full scream? Simply because a full scream would take out the planet, so I'm doubting he used a full scream. Otherwise it honestly doesn't make sense for him to survive a full on scream, even a this peak he hasn't shown to be that durable.

BB has never screamed on-panel.

Originally posted by Surtur
Ikaris, while powerful, isn't pc Superboy level tho.

As for Blackbolt, didn't he survive a whisper, not a full scream? Simply because a full scream would take out the planet, so I'm doubting he used a full scream.

you think val punches harder than ikaris?

Val isn't PC Superboy level.

Val might not be PC Supes level but he can hang with him, just like how Thanos might not be Odin level but he can hang with him...although unlike Thanos KK is able to cause injury to his opponent.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Val might not be PC Supes level but he can hang with him, just like how Thanos might not be Odin level but he can hang with him...although unlike Thanos KK is able to cause injury to his opponent.

You realize Superboy was holding back and KK didn't actually hurt him, right?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Val might not be PC Supes level but he can hang with him, just like how Thanos might not be Odin level but he can hang with him...although unlike Thanos KK is able to cause injury to his opponent.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he can't hang with Superboy.

You realize Superboy was holding back and KK didn't actually hurt him, right?

🙂 Are you feeling alright?

Originally posted by Nihilist
lame attempt at a bait,your such a loser

Tis the truth.

Originally posted by Nihilist
your such a loser

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Tis the truth.

👆

Originally posted by The Great Galen
🙂 Are you feeling alright?

Originally posted by Nihilist
it was a scream,obvisouly not a full one,what about high e blast

Since it wasn't a full one, it's hard to judge how powerful it was. Also what exactly is a high e blast?

you think val punches harder than ikaris?

Do you think Ikaris could cause PC Superboy pain?

Originally posted by Mindset
No, he can't hang with Superboy.

You realize Superboy was holding back and KK didn't actually hurt him, right?

Actually, he can hang with Superboy. Defeat him? No, but he definitely held his own the second time they fought.

Also yes, Val actually did cause him pain. Didn't do any significant damage, but he did cause him pain. I just saw this brought up on another msg board with scans as well, he does actually cause him some pain.

Still, I want it to be clear that Val is no pc kryptonian, but still his strength feats are pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Surtur
Since it wasn't a full one, it's hard to judge how powerful it was. Also what exactly is a high e blast?

Do you think Ikaris could cause PC Superboy pain?

Actually, he can hang with Superboy. Defeat him? No, but he definitely held his own the second time they fought.

Also yes, Val actually did cause him pain. Didn't do any significant damage, but he did cause him pain. I just saw this brought up on another msg board with scans as well, he does actually cause him some pain.

Still, I want it to be clear that Val is no pc kryptonian, but still his strength feats are pretty impressive.

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