chess match Orion vs Thor

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thor is a blond. I think that's all the evidence required to make this judgment.

Originally posted by Newjak
Orion is a redhead 😐

Originally posted by Newjak
Well there are a couple of things that Thor generally does when around mortals at least when he was sent to Earth by Odin.

He respects Steve more so than any other mortal, so why would he mind following him when he has to.

The other thing is that Thor generally has an almost Superman-esqe type complex when around mortal. Ie he generally holds back, he doesn't want to interfere to much because he knows he can, or becoming too close to mortals. That kind of thing.

Of course that isn't to say Thor can not lead. I mean who do the Asgardians always have leading the troops into battle. Why none other than Thor.

As to who wins this fight. 😱

I don't know 😐

Generally though, Thor is a grunt hence why Loki constantly fools and tricks him. I think the biggest reason Thor let's steve lead is because of thor's own inability to be a effective leader coupled with poor tactical mind, even somone like Logan seems more capable of becoming a leader.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Generally though, Thor is a grunt hence why Loki constantly fools and tricks him. I think the biggest reason Thor let's steve lead is because of thor's own inability to be a effective leader coupled with poor tactical mind, even somone like Logan seems more capable of becoming a leader.

When Orion was with the JLA, he wasn't leader either.

There goes that.

Originally posted by Enyalus
When Orion was with the JLA, he wasn't leader either.

There goes that.

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Anyway, it's become painfully obvious that someone doesn't read any comics of anything he talks about...

How often does that happen, Thor is constantly the lacky following steve.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
How often does that happen, Thor is constantly the lacky following steve.

because cap is the best strategic thinker on the team. he knows how to lead a force, and use them effectively...

it's the same reason why iceman and jean followed cyclops on the x-men...

Right, but my argument is that Thor is a GOD lol. As a ruler of entire civilization why would he follow someone like steve, if anything he should have mained the avengers from the start.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, but my argument is that Thor is a GOD lol. As a ruler of entire civilization why would he follow someone like steve, if anything he should have mained the avengers from the start.

god or not, thor still respects steve enough to know that steve is the right man for the job...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, but my argument is that Thor is a GOD lol. As a ruler of entire civilization why would he follow someone like steve, if anything he should have mained the avengers from the start.

And he wasn't the ruler of an entire civilization when he was on the Avengers...

Well IMO I just agree with marvel's direction, let's just say norse Thor and marvel thor are 2 very different people cause the thor in legends would never take oders from a mortal.

Thor isn't Steve's lackey, he's his team-mate and follows his orders. I suggest you check into Thor's little rendezvous with Cap after temporarily resurrecting him.

Namor in example isn't smarter than Thor, simply because he refuses to listen to anyone else and he certainly isn't wiser.

So u honestly think thor isnt in the slightest bit a lacky to steve, guess we just have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So u honestly think thor isnt in the slightest bit a lacky to steve, guess we just have to agree to disagree.

How the hell would you define lackey?

You obviously didn't read Avengers diassembled, or any of the latter Thor stories.

A lacky would be...well no other great example comes to mind aside from someone like Thor. Not saying he has never took the intiative but for the most part...hes just happy being Steves side kick.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well IMO I just agree with marvel's direction, let's just say norse Thor and marvel thor are 2 very different people cause the thor in legends would never take oders from a mortal.

Of course they are.

Norse Thor would also probably kill anyone who starts a fight etc..

Wouldn't translate into a very good comic.

They can't have Thor acting like an arrogant god because they want to character to have human qualities. Anyway, Thor was been living among humans for so long that he listens to them and doesn't consider the inferior to him.

Anyway, Thor's respect for Cap is immence. he stated that In his entire existance one of the greatest honours was knowing and fighting alongside Steve. He then knocked out the entire planets communication systems in memory of Cap.

Not listening to Cap's tactical advise is very stupid. It'd be like a King ignoring what his generals are saying.

Im not doubting Steves tactical abilities, but IMO since Thor is a God he should act more the part. It still doesn't excuse why his brother constantly fools and decievs him....Thor is a grunt no matter how u split it.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not doubting Steves tactical abilities, but IMO since Thor is a God he should act more the part. It still doesn't excuse why his brother constantly fools and decievs him....Thor is a grunt no matter how u split it.

if he used his godliness to lead the avengers, they never would have survived half the shit they have over the years...

and his brother is a god too, no?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Im not doubting Steves tactical abilities, but IMO since Thor is a God he should act more the part. It still doesn't excuse why his brother constantly fools and decievs him....Thor is a grunt no matter how u split it.

It basically shows what Thor is like when he decides to take charge.

And Loki fools a ton of people I'm pretty certain he would be able to pull the wool over Orion's eyes quite a bit.

Orion's father is one of the most clever minds in DC whom orion constantly battles agaisnt.....loki's mind games r child's play. As for the thor, he has yet to trully main the avengers.