Originally posted by kgkg
While Superman will get Stronger and Faster as we have seen Superman of the Future ie SuperBoy , S1mil , Prime etc.The strongest version of Surfer i can think of is Surfer with QBand but even that his not his "own" power.
Um, 1M is a distant, distant, distant descendent of Current Supes, with 5th D Imp DNA in him. Hardly his "own" power either. The other "incarnations" of Supes you mention share similiar problems.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Um, 1M is a distant, distant, distant descendent of Current Supes, with 5th D Imp DNA in him. Hardly his "own" power either. The other "incarnations" of Supes you mention share similiar problems.
Superman Prime on the other hand is all his power. His Will, his power, his knownledge...everything
Originally posted by Red Hulk
OK.I'm going off memory, and I never said that anyway.
For about the same amount of time or so that Surfer had his power, Superman went mad and turned into a skeleton if I recall correctly.
You have the issue within reach I bet, confirm or deny.
I don't remember the part where it's my job to prove your claim for you.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
How am I supposed to prove that he didn't lose it? It never left his body on-panel. Should I post the comic on panel, and every page from every comic that Surfer appears in afterwards? Also, the Black Body was only said to be the purpose for Surfer managing to take the power away, not for withholding the power... if you want to get technical...
If you can't prove it, then don't (especially since it doesn't exist and is pure speculation) make the claim. Simple logic me thinks. 🙂
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Good, then Superman is immune to magic, unless we see him fail against it. Relevance to Surfer, or thread (because I know Surfer doesn't use magic)?
Upgrade. Never shown to be taken away. Not difficult to understand the comparison. Both would be faulty to use in a debate...
Originally posted by Red Hulk
No they don't. Not always anyway, especially when it's an arc in the main series (especially Surfer's main series...). Just because something isn't brought up again, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's as bad as logic as you're trying to play to me.
So it's logical to you to use something that's used once, in which by your admission is barely mentioned in it's own story, and never brought up again or proven as it's nothing but PURE SPECULATION.
Standing ovation for that particular logic.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Composite Superman isn't really a different version of Supes. But an entirely different being. Like Ultraman.Anywho, he'd whip Surfer's ass. So would 1M. And Superboy Prime has a good shot. Most, if not all other versions of Superman, should go down to a FP Surfer.
Originally posted by AvlonI don't remember where I said it was your job. Reading comprehension is key.
I don't remember the part where it's my job to prove your claim for you.
I merely asked you to confirm or deny something because I know you have the issue probably close. Which would take a quick flip through the book. No scans required.
You're the one who said this:
"Superman set his mind on killing mode for B13 (which is something that goes against his ENTIRE being) and finds Imperiex is still alive thus confusing him temporarily.
Sundipping did nothing to Superman's mental state. Forum myth."
You obviously think you know the specifics, so why wouldn't I ask you to take a quick flip through a f*cking issue?
Also, I'm just merely discussing it, or was, I thought I could get a civil response but apparently not as... what? Are you butthurt or something that somebody disagreed with what you said? I was trying to make it a simple discussion (asking questions... discussing), but apparently you think being a dick is the better option.
Originally posted by AvlonIf I had to prove it, I'd have to post every issue featuring Surfer that came after that arc. 😐
If you can't prove it, then don't (especially since it doesn't exist and is pure speculation) make the claim. Simple logic me thinks. 🙂
How is it pure speculation that it never left his body? Can you explain this one?
No wait... it's not your job. 🙄
Originally posted by AvlonExcept one is relevant to the thread where the other is just bringing up a random encounter... where it failed anyway:
Upgrade. Never shown to be taken away. Not difficult to understand the comparison. Both would be faulty to use in a debate...
"Proof? It could be said that Superman never lost the magic immunity that Phantom Stranger gave him since it was never said that he lost it either."
"Good, then Superman is immune to magic, unless we see him fail against it."
Lulz
Thing is, I don't give a shit what you want to use in another debate. If it hasn't been taken away, or contradicted, then it sticks.
Originally posted by AvlonIf it's barely mentioned in its own story, then why would it be mentioned in others, was my point. That's the reason why I put brackets a lot (for people to know what I'm talking about), but I thought you'd be smart enough to figure it out (apparently not).
So it's logical to you to use something that's used once, in which by your admission is barely mentioned in it's own story, and never brought up again or proven as it's nothing but PURE SPECULATION.Standing ovation for that particular logic.
Yes, it's pure speculation that it never left his body. 🙄
Are you serious with that logic?
Although, if we're pointing out faulty logic, why not start with completely ignoring something just because it was only happened in the story it pertained to? Would implants go away just because no one brought up that they were implants?
'it not mentioned! it not anymore!'
That's what I see, so I find it funny how you're the one to point out faulty logic. If my logic is faulty, then what's yours?
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Anyway, this is dumb at best. A simple question, and pointing out something gets turned into this.
This now semi-argument is over on my behalf.
Re: Full Power Siver Surfer Vs Full Power Superman
Originally posted by SouthSpawn
Ok,Me and my brother had a little argument on this one.
IMO, There is nothing that Superman can do to the Silver Surfer that SS Can't do back here.
I give SS the edge on this one.
Simply because, IMO, If the SS is at FULL POWER.
This means he has FULL control over the POWER COSMIC!!!Also, he most likely could DRAIN Superman of his Solar Powers.
What is your opinion?
full power surfer and superman? full power superman would be the gold guy imo and full power surfer would be ummm.....the keeper??
Originally posted by Red Hulk
I don't remember where I said it was your job. Reading comprehension is key.
Reading comprehension. Good choice of words. Don't guesstimate and read the actual issue you are referring to. 🙂
Originally posted by Red Hulk
I merely asked you to confirm or deny something because I know you have the issue probably close. Which would take a quick flip through the book. No scans required.
You ASSumed. On top of that, you don't know the specifics or the example of if it even exists, so why would I know?
"In some issue somewhere, this may have or have not happened."
Originally posted by Red Hulk
You're the one who said this:
"Superman set his mind on killing mode for B13 (which is something that goes against his ENTIRE being) and finds Imperiex is still alive thus confusing him temporarily.Sundipping did nothing to Superman's mental state. Forum myth."
[QUOTE=11330389]Originally posted by Red Hulk
[B]You obviously think you know the specifics, so why wouldn't I ask you to take a quick flip through a f*cking issue?
I know it very well, they come up more than enough. Thanks though.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Also, I'm just merely discussing it, or was, I thought I could get a civil response but apparently not as... what? Are you butthurt or something that somebody disagreed with what you said? I was trying to make it a simple discussion (asking questions... discussing), but apparently you think being a dick is the better option.
Tsk tsk..feelings, feelings.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
If I had to prove it, I'd have to post every issue featuring Surfer that came after that arc. 😐
If you say so...
Originally posted by Red Hulk
How is it pure speculation that it never left his body? Can you explain this one?
No wait... it's not your job. 🙄
Your claim, remember? Oh that's right..there is no proof or mention of it ever again. 🙂
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Except one is relevant to the thread where the other is just bringing up a random encounter... where it failed anyway:"Proof? It could be said that Superman never lost the magic immunity that Phantom Stranger gave him since it was never said that he lost it either."
"Good, then Superman is immune to magic, unless we see him fail against it."
Lulz
Similar examples. If you want to turn a blind eye to it. Won't bother me. 🙂
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Thing is, I don't give a shit what you want to use in another debate. If it hasn't been taken away, or contradicted, then it sticks.
And I don't give a shit what you give a shit about.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
If it's barely mentioned in its own story, then why would it be mentioned in others, was my point. That's the reason why I put brackets a lot (for people to know what I'm talking about), but I thought you'd be smart enough to figure it out (apparently not).
Uhh...because you are making a claim that's unproven? Duh.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Yes, it's pure speculation that it never left his body. 🙄
Are you serious with that logic?
Without proof, you want to present something as evidence. Are you serious with that logic?
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Although, if we're pointing out faulty logic, why not start with completely ignoring something just because it was only happened in the story it pertained to? Would implants go away just because no one brought up that they were implants?'it not mentioned! it not anymore!'
Just LOL @ this "logic"
Originally posted by Red Hulk
That's what I see, so I find it funny how you're the one to point out faulty logic. If my logic is faulty, then what's yours?---
Pretty sound compared to what you're trying to piece together. "A plot device was used in once story, and though nothing has ever been said about it ever since, he must have it and thus it's usable in debates!
Brilliant. 😉
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Anyway, this is dumb at best. A simple question, and pointing out something gets turned into this.
We agree on this.
Originally posted by Red Hulk
This now semi-argument is over on my behalf.
Thanks. I hope you are at peace now. 🙂