Originally posted by Alpha CentauriHaha, taking shots at my dad, smooth move. Of course, he wasn't actually in a band pre-Sex Pistols, and he ranks the Pistols as one of his favourite bands. So there goes your assumptions of things I never claimed were true, stupid assumptions that had no basis or merit.So what? Being influenced by people who came before does not mean that you are making the same music as they did.
The Sex Pistols sound notably different to any band that came before them in enough ways to be considered new. That's there to be heard, you don't need history lessons. Listen to the bands that came before and then listen to The Sex Pistols.
You are taking what your dad says as factual, when for all we know, he's just bitter that he didn't make it.
No, they're considered garage rock because of how they sound. I'm not basing this on words and not having heard the music. They sound completely different to punk rock music. They were raw and energetic, but that doesn't make punk rock. The Hives are raw and energetic, for example. They are a more accurate descendant of Iggy & The Stooges than The Sex Pistols.
Listen to these bands, it's all these to be heard.
They weren't a punk band because they didn't have everything that makes a punk band. A pancake isn't a pancake if it just has most of the ingredients, it needs to have them all.
-AC [/B]
So you've heard every single garage rock band who were around the same as the Pistols were starting to get noticed? I thoroughly doubt it, to be honest. You're just doing what you did in the debate with Gideon about Schon and Van Halen: You actually don't know much at all about the music the other person is putting down against your concrete opinions. You're not familiar with the amounts of generally unknown bands I'm talking about, so again, are assuming, and sadly, assumptions are not a basis for a firm argument.
Not saying they're punk band, why can't you understand that? When did I say The Stooges were a punk band? I said they were Proto-punk, yes, because they very clearly are. But what I said was when you compare their lifestyle to the sex pistols' lifestyles, they were very, very similar. 'Punk', like all main genres, also has a following lifestyle to go with it, and The Stooges' lifestyle fits perfectly into what that Punk lifestyle would become. Rebellious, doing things to shock people, not giving a shit about anything, etc.
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Originally posted by Strangelove
Although I would like to point out something here; you argue that the Beatles aren't musically influential because bands were inspired by them but not influenced by them. And then you turn around and say that the recording techniques of music aren't relevant because the "average joe" doesn't know about them. Well, we weren't talking about average joes, were we? We were talking about influence on other musicians. And the Beatles developed/discovered many recording techniques (e.g. auto double-tracking, tape loops, backwards vocal/guitar, flanging, use of the Moog synthesizer, etc.) that hadn't been heard of before, and because of their popularity, it allowed those techniques to become mainstream and as a result, bands starting using them.So to discount recording techniques because the "average joe" doesn't know about them is quite ridiculous when we were talking about a band's influence on other musicians.
bring this up to the next page after you quite blatantly ignored Strangelove's post.