Naruto vs The Avatar

IMO, I really don't think Itachi was aiming to kill Sasuke with it, he should've caught Sasuke with it with ease, unless Sasuke was literally going faster then Itachi's eyesight, i think Itachi was being a bit protective when he was using it, he even stopped it as soon as it hit him.

But Amaterasu is literally supposed to burn anything that his eye see's, so unless Ozai can dodge Itachi's eyesit he won't be avoiding it

From the Databook:

"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"

The Uchiha clan, originally significant as "those with the fans which manipulate fire", traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu unknown outside the clan. This is "Amaterasu". The appearance of these flames are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it continues to burn for seven days and seven nights.

IMO, Amaterasu is one of the most poweful fire moves in manga.

Couldn't Ozai like control it? Considering his power is making and controlling fire.

Originally posted by Terryc250

"[b]The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!!

No reason to believe this is literal. It's common knowledge that Amaterasu is cast with the eyes, and generally you look at your opponent when attacking them. Thus, the point of that statement is to say that whoever you're looking at is your target.

The [b]high temperature is like the sun,[/quote]

and one time touching it is the last.

Hyperbole. like the sun, meaning that is hot, and the sun is hot. Thus they are comparable. If Amaterau's temperature was actually the same temperature as the sun, the statement would be hot [b]as[/i] the sun.

Like Karen. 😱

*shrug*

I don't know who this Ozai guy is, so I dunno who'd win, but it bothers me that people overrate Amatersu. It's not an instantaneous attack, and it's not utterly damaging...

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaREturns/chapter415.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=49525

The fact that Karin's back is literally engulfed and flames, and the flames stayed on her back long enough for her to sink into the water, which means at last a few seconds, leads me to believe that it takes awhile for the fire to be truly affective.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
No reason to believe this is literal. It's common knowledge that Amaterasu is cast with the eyes, and generally you look at your opponent when attacking them. Thus, the point of that statement is to say that whoever you're looking at is your target.

I don't know who this Ozai guy is, so I dunno who'd win, but it bothers me that people overrate Amatersu. It's not an instantaneous attack, and it's not utterly damaging...

http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaREturns/chapter415.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=49525

The fact that Karin's back is literally engulfed and flames, and the flames stayed on her back long enough for her to sink into the water, which means at last a few seconds, leads me to believe that it takes awhile for the fire to be truly affective. [/B]

Its basically almost instantaneous. Sasuke +shunshin was almost faster than Itachi eyesight with sharingan on as he got behind Itachi. Sasuke used cs which does increase speed so it could of been faster than itachi could have seen. Thought itachi did chase him down with it. And i dougbt that A firebender can take control of another person fire. Especially amaterasu.

And Amaterasu burns with the intensity of the sun when it is focused on the target. Well thats the theory that starting to catch on specially with I must say one of my break downs of what happen. Best example being in the stone toad stomach of amaterasu flames.

Yup.

A fire bender could control ameratasu.

Ang could literally control Sasuke's body with blood bending.

Sasuke's faster. Much faster.

Ang just has to put up a wind shield or a water shield. Sasuke can't control those elements.

I dont see how Ang or anyone is going to control Sasuke fire techniques much less Amaterasu. They dont even know of the holy black flame muchless being able to control it. I have never seen anyone control another person fire before.

Amaterasu has a bunch of hyperboles attached, but it's not really very impressive - it was unable to burn through Karin's cloak, FFS.

And it is always fired as a projectile/flamethrower stream, it doesn't just appear on people.

Still Itachi would win his fight due to his genjutsu

Everyone from Naruto wins(yes, I said it)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Amaterasu has a bunch of hyperboles attached, but it's not really very impressive - it was unable to burn through Karin's cloak, FFS.

Sasuke put it out as soon as the fire caught onto her cloak, every person that was caught by the flames gets KO'd right away, and thats just being caught by the flame, the only thing saving them was the user putting it out. Now if Amaterasu was directly hit on the person, the persons body would probably literally be ashes, take the stone toad frog stomach for example.

Amaterasu is the equivelent of Tsukiyomi, in ninjutsu.

It just hasn't been shown to be that great because no one has been directly hit by it, they just were caught by the flame (in which KO'd every person).

And it is always fired as a projectile/flamethrower stream, it doesn't just appear on people.

Sasuke was trying to outrun Itachi's field of vision

But was caught, this is probably what it would look like if someone was hit by Itachi's eyes in amaterasu, and not just get their clothing caught on the flames (itachi puts it out before it can destroy the body)

I think Naruto would get screwed if Ang goes into his avatar state and goes berserk.

Amaterasu is basically almost instantaneous. Just Sasuke was that fast and i dont think anyone in Avaverse is matching that speed. Sasuke shunshin w/ cs almost beat out Itachi Sight. CS was actually doing it just it finally caught him.

Also Amaterasu burns with that crazy intensity when its focused on the target. Sasuke lost focused on Hachibi and the fire was just burning him but he wasnt putting it out. Kirin wasnt being focused on either. Everything that has been focused on and caught by amaterasu was burned instantly and incernated instantly

Originally posted by Terryc250
[B]The statement says whoever he looks at gets burned, it doesn't say whoever he looks at becomes a target, for amaterasu to shoot at. Amaterasu works on sight.

And it also doesn't say that the target just randomly bursts into flames either.

Here,

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/

Amaterasu converges upon it's target.

v., -verged, -verg·ing, -verg·es.

v.intr.

To tend toward or approach an intersecting point: lines that converge.
To come together from different directions; meet: The avenues converge at a central square.

http://www.answers.com/converge

And look at when Itachi uses it. It first manifests itself in front of Itachi, and then it goes forward and attacks whatever Itachi's eye is focused on.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/16-17/

And look at Sawsgay's amaterasu, when he casts it. Notice it's movement:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/

Notice the last three panes, it zooms closer and closer to Eight-Tails. Then the next page we see it hit him. Amaterasu is a projectile. It's created first and then launched at whatever the eye is targeting. That's... how a flame thrower works. You create the flame... then you direct it at someone.

Well because Amaterasu hasn't ever been used with the intent to kill.

You'd have to prove that Amaterasu can be altered in such a way. I've never heard of Amaterasu having different "levels" of power based on the users intent. Sawsgay's CS2 wings are more durable than his actual body is, yet the fire burned through his wings in a few seconds. Are you saying that if the fire had hit his actual body instead it would have killed him? That doesn't make any sense.

Everytime its hit someone the person stops amaterasu right away, and one time touching is its last, every person who has been hit with Amaterasu has been KO'd right away, its the user who stops amaterasu to save the person.

It knocked Karin out in a second (though it didn't harm her clothes lol) and did not knock out Sawsgay even though it burning long enough to char his wings.

Since when does sinking in water take "atleast a few seconds" ? Its water, not mud.

Why bother showing her sink at all if it was nearly instantaneous?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/07/

That doesn't make any sense. And it was on her long enough to knock her out but not hurt her clothes? What kind of sense does that make?

Okay Terry, that is poetic hyperbole, the reflected from eyes thing, seriously dude.

As Blax provided, Amaterasu is, and always has been, a projectile, a flaming one.

Hot as the sun? Karen seemed pretty fine. It did not signifigantly burn her after a few seconds.

Because Amaterasu burns only what is focused on. Its not that hard. here im a prove it to you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/05/
Itachi about to use it. He is going to focus on the wall.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/06/
As you can see amaterasu burned through it instantly. Yet that same flame is still on the walls. Why because its not being focused on and its not being concentrated on in the users vision.

Originally posted by Csdabest
Because Amaterasu burns only what is focused on. Its not that hard. here im a prove it to you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/05/
Itachi about to use it. He is going to focus on the wall.

So your "proof" is completely off-panel?

😐 C'mon man.

We can't see him actually use the attck. So it's perfectly feasible to assume that when he used Amaterasu he just casted it then launched it at all the wall. There's no reason to assume that the wall just burst into flames when his eye focused on it.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/148/06/
As you can see amaterasu burned through it instantly. Yet that same flame is still on the walls. Why because its not being focused on and its not being concentrated on in the users vision.

Which means.. what? It's still on fire because it's fire and fire has to be put out somehow. That scan is only proof that Itachi was in a rush and so only put out the fire that was in the way of him escaping. THe eye focusing is only needed to actually cast and put out the technique. Once it's created it acts like regular fire.

And for a fire that supposedly burns instantly, how come the hole isn't getting bigger? The fire is still on the edges but the edges aren't spreading. It's not being eaten away.

im not proving that its instantanous. Im speaking about the intensitiy of the flames. That once it touched the part of the wall that was focused on it incinerated instantly. Once he left The flames that were still on the wall were burning with the same intensity.

If they were burning with the same intensity then how come the portion of the wall with the flames still on it didn't burn away?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
And it also doesn't say that the target just randomly bursts into flames either.

Here,

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/390/03/

Amaterasu converges upon it's target.

http://www.answers.com/converge

And look at when Itachi uses it. It first manifests itself in front of Itachi, and then it goes forward and attacks whatever Itachi's eye is focused on.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/389/16-17/

And look at Sawsgay's amaterasu, when he casts it. Notice it's movement:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/01/

Notice the last three panes, it zooms closer and closer to Eight-Tails. Then the next page we see it hit him. Amaterasu is a projectile. It's created first and then launched at whatever the eye is targeting. That's... how a flame thrower works. You create the flame... then you direct it at someone.

Itachi activates it, and the fire appears/converges/meets where his eye is focused on

Look at the pictures, the flame follows his viewsight, its not constantly shooting out flames

The fire is meeting/converging where his line of sight is.

You cant dodge it unless your dodging the persons line of sight.

That one of Sasuke shows what Sasuke is focusing on, then in the next page it shows it on fire, it never ever showed Amaterasu shooting at anything, it simply shows Amaterasu appearing where he focuses on.

You'd have to prove that Amaterasu can be altered in such a way. I'e never heard of Amaterasu having different "levels" of power based on the users intent. Sawsgay's CS2 wings are more durable than his actual body is, yet the fire burned through his wings in a few seconds. Are you saying that if the fire had hit his actual body instead it would have killed him? That doesn't make any sense.

It knocked Karin out in a second (though it didn't harm her clothes lol) and did not knock out Sawsgay even though it burning long enough to char his wings.

Why bother showing her sink at all if it was nearly instantaneous?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/07/

That doesn't make any sense. And it was on her long enough to knock her out but not hurt her clothes? What kind of sense does that make? [/B]

I'll address this tomorrow you persistent jackass.