Originally posted by KN7JL3
'kay, sup with all this nonsense about producer said this and that. The only thing I think is right as far as that goes is Seph is strongest entity in FF7. And even if what you said is true does it apply to all future Square Enix games? e.g. Infinite Undiscovery/Last Remnant?
True, they could make stronger people than Sephiroth, and Ultemecia, but so far, Sephiroth, from what I have seen is the strongest.
DJ, and Bloodlust, both of you are right.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
No, you clearly don't, as if you scan Ultimecia's final and true form, it states she was currently absorbing reality.
And it's not just stated, but showed. The final battle happens in space, and IIRC we can see Ultimecia absorbing the stars. Or the galaxies... I don't remember.
Originally posted by Wil7Then you have not seen much. Sephiroth cannot even bust a planet on a whim, he's really just a fast, strong guy with a few nifty powers(which he supposedly has, but never really uses), and can destroy a planet over a period of at least 3 years. Whoa.
True, they could make stronger people than Sephiroth, and Ultemecia, but so far, Sephiroth, from what I have seen is the strongest
It took Ultimecia at most a year to compress time so that she could absorb all of reality.
And thinking back, SHM is right, Ultimecia was shown absorbing stars and shit in the battle.
Oh and bloodlust, it said all reality, how would you interpret that? That it was her perspective of what existed? Lol.
Originally posted by bloodlust247
just think about what you're saying.. you're letting the ambition of what you want the words to mean get the better of you
*sigh*
Using Scan on the upper half of Ultimecia's final body/form
Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Then you have not seen much. Sephiroth cannot even bust a planet on a whim, he's really just a fast, strong guy with a few nifty powers(which he supposedly has, but never really uses), and can destroy a planet over a period of at least 3 years. Whoa.It took Ultimecia at most a year to compress time so that she could absorb all of reality.
And thinking back, SHM is right, Ultimecia was shown absorbing stars and shit in the battle.
Oh and bloodlust, it said all reality, how would you interpret that? That it was her perspective of what existed? Lol.
Ask yourself this question. Just because someone can destoy more than someone else, does it automatically mean that person is stronger? I don't think it does. I will talk anime real quick.
EX: Goku defeats Broly, Goku defeats Buu, and Goku defeated Freiza.
1 on 1 battles are completly different then who can destroy more battles, of course that is my opinion.
The 3 years that went bye was the time from FFVII, to FFVII AC I think.
Originally posted by Wil7Goku had help, an amp, and PIS to defeat Broly.
Ask yourself this question. Just because someone can destoy more than someone else, does it automatically mean that person is stronger? I don't think it does. I will talk anime real quick.EX: Goku defeats Broly, Goku defeats Buu, and Goku defeated Freiza.
1 on 1 battles are completly different then who can destroy more battles, of course that is my opinion.
The 3 years that went bye was the time from FFVII, to FFVII AC I think.
Goku beat Buu with a Spirit Bomb made from all the power on Earth, more than has ever been used before, and then had to be repowered to finish him with it.
Goku was far more powerful than Freeza, with a PL of 160,000,000 compared to Freeza's 120,000,000.
And Ultimecia was RAPIDLY absorbing stars and shit. She would rapidly absorb Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Goku had help, an amp, and PIS to defeat Broly.Goku beat Buu with a Spirit Bomb made from all the power on Earth, more than has ever been used before, and then had to be repowered to finish him with it.
Goku was far more powerful than Freeza, with a PL of 160,000,000 compared to Freeza's 120,000,000.
And Ultimecia was RAPIDLY absorbing stars and shit. She would rapidly absorb Sephiroth.
I won't disagree, but they haved destroyed way more shit then Goku, and he still won.
Ultemecia, as I recall didn't absorb Squall, and his friend(s). Sephiroth is stronger then Squall, and his firend(s). Ultemecia lost to Squall, but apparently, she lost because they were deemed. I think with her absorbing powers she wins, without them, she loses.
Originally posted by Wil7They were immune to her absorption because of the love and faith they had in eachother(and yes, I am serious, this was even explained in detail in the game), something Sephiroth does not have.
I won't disagree, but they haved destroyed way more shit then Goku, and he still won.Ultemecia, as I recall didn't absorb Squall, and his friend(s). Sephiroth is stronger then Squall, and his firend(s). Ultemecia lost to Squall, but apparently, she lost because they were deemed. I think with her absorbing powers she wins, without them, she loses.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxonce again reality is not all time and space.. it's the time and space that we know of.. or in this case that the character (Ulitmecia) knows of.. in FF7 they were in a world called Gaia.. in FF8 it was Esthar or some shit.. that's their reality.. i mean seriously if you're trying to tell that with 'half the power granted to mankind' she was trying to absorb every planet.. every universe.. every living entity from a far off galaxy.. every dimension.. every parallel universe and so on.. then i'm just gonna laugh at you.. do you know how small mankind is in the grand scheme of things
Hm.I thought it said all reality.
But yeah, that completely proves the case, she was absorbing all time and space, and all existence.
yea and before someone posted.. user scan - absorbing all reality as we speak.. so someone is making things up.. and like i said it wouldn't matter to me.. FF doesn't exist on Earth or incorporate Earth and it's own realm's existence together so i have no idea of what reality or existence is to the characters in the game.. for all i know all existence could be one planet or one solar system.. so no matter how much anybody tries to convince me i'm never gonna believe that someone with half the power granted to mankind could absorbed all the reality or existence that WE know.. and i will never believe she could defeat anybody the likes of Pyron or Silver Surfer or Shuma-Gorath or Broly.. nor will i ever put her in the same catergory as them
So you're finally admitting that you're not going by feats here, you just don't like Ultimecia so you're not going to say she wins.
We have a scan saying she was absorbing all of existence, and your silly claim that she was just absorbing one planet or solar system is disproven very quickly by the fact that we see her absorbing stars.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
So you're finally admitting that you're not going by feats here, you just don't like Ultimecia so you're not going to say she wins.We have a scan saying she was absorbing all of existence, and your silly claim that she was just absorbing one planet or solar system is disproven very quickly by the fact that we see her absorbing stars.