Originally posted by PhilosophíaThe two scans I put up werent from herochat. 😂
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,189285.msg3036349.html#msg3036349crylaugh
Subtley asking for help from herochat, and using arguments that other people use there. Priceless.
Originally posted by BadabingThere was no help provided on herochat. I wanted to here other's opinions. I did the same thing over that countdown dispute over the soul battery. I showed you the first poster agreed with me. Read it over. There werent any scans put up. I have provided proof. Dc vs. Mk backs it up,kc backs it up,Atlas fight backs it up. I win.
Oh cripes. Self pwnage for the loss. Failure for the win! crylaugh durlaughQuan, you don't read Superman or DC. You go to another site for your "proof".
Originally posted by RaoulHe was worried about his poochie.
those scans say exactly why i don't like robinson as a writer... superman would never be that outwardly rude to anyone, especially someone who he was looking for help from...
Originally posted by batdude123
Even though he's beaten far more powerful magically adept characters before? Also, I don't know if it's on purpose or not, but you keep skimming over the fact that Zatanna recently trained Superman to become resistant to mystical based attacks.They looked even until Superman decided it was time to take the kiddie gloves off. And it's not like Black Adam was holding himself back. Especially considering the fact that during their battle, Superman said Black Adam was hitting harder than Captain Marvel. So Black Adam was stalemating him when Superman was holding himself back.
Cool. Maybe after your battle zone match with Smurph then.
Surprisingly enough, I knew you'd bring up the MK vs. DC game. I think they needed a scapegoat in order to explain how Mortal Kombat characters are able to harm Superman considering he's much more powerful than them.
You have this all backwards black adam wasnt even sweating! supes was a rageing lunatic. hair all messed up cape torn apart the only one screaming in pain was supes. Quit turning things around just casue ya like supes.
I like supes but i prefer BA myself as more a a favorite. And even though i prefer BA that l;ast punch would have knocked ba out if ba was stupid enough to sit their and take it. When BA rages he hits hard. When superman rages he knocks ya out.
Black adam wasnt even interested in the fight where you get this he was going all out and supes wasnt is beyond me. And superman cannot speedblitz ba either. BA actually had enough time to turn his back on supes he could have easily avoided the punch.
Supes and ba are equal in strikeing power but in knock out power it goes to supes. If hes pissed. ANd im not talking bout WWIII ba, that version of ba RIPS SUPES APART.
Originally posted by Raoul
so take out speed and the godblast and what are you left with? clark winning the majority, imo...Actually once you elimitated supes superspeed you just crippled supes. thor 7/10 thor has a magical hammer and supes cannnot use his speed against him. And even though thor is not as strong or as durible as supes hes tough enough to beat supes the vast mojority of the time. thats the advantage of thor hes just to versital. You take one thing away from supes like strength................oops there goes his entire arsenal =(
lets try this one take away supes strength and speed. Now take away thors speed and strength. what do ya got. Thor still has his hammer his magical abilities. supes has.
NOTHING LEFT........ 😮
in fairness, it was a dumb thing to say, tbh...
ah, ok, and no, i wouldn't say it is the deciding factor a lot of the time, unless one person is at a disadvantage...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc vs. Mk backs it up
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Originally posted by quanchi112
kc backs it up
Completely different Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Atlas fight backs it up.
Way to completely misinterpret the circumstances. Superman's power was depleted and once it was restored, Atlas was done in 60 seconds.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I win.
You win nothing when you try to use a video game as canonical evidence.
Magic isn't anymore of a weakness for Superman than it is for everyone else. You wouldn't say Shuma Gorath has a weakness to magic even though Dr. Strange has beaten him, would you?
Originally posted by zeel
You have this all backwards black adam wasnt even sweating! supes was a rageing lunatic. hair all messed up cape torn apart the only one screaming in pain was supes. Quit turning things around just casue ya like supes.I like supes but i prefer BA myself as more a a favorite. And even though i prefer BA that l;ast punch would have knocked ba out if ba was stupid enough to sit their and take it. When BA rages he hits hard. When superman rages he knocks ya out.
Black adam wasnt even interested in the fight where you get this he was going all out and supes wasnt is beyond me. And superman cannot speedblitz ba either. BA actually had enough time to turn his back on supes he could have easily avoided the punch.
Supes and ba are equal in strikeing power but in knock out power it goes to supes. If hes pissed. ANd im not talking bout WWIII ba, that version of ba RIPS SUPES APART.
I can overlook everything you said except for this part...
"ANd im not talking bout WWIII ba, that version of ba RIPS SUPES APART."
Plain ignorance. Straight up.
Originally posted by batdude123I asked you earlier if you got the collector's edition. At one of the comic cons ed boon came up with a dc guy. I cant remember his name but he stayed on to fine tune things for the dc side. He switched batman dialogue,etc. to make sure the dc characters were acting and speaking in character. He was there to make sure dc stayed true to the characters. So,no he wouldnt just let them through the magic there in there if it made no sense. 😉
😆Completely different Superman.
Way to completely misinterpret the circumstances. Superman's power was depleted and once it was restored, Atlas was done in 60 seconds.
You win nothing when you try to use a video game as canonical evidence.
Magic isn't anymore of a weakness for Superman than it is for everyone else. You wouldn't say Shuma Gorath has a weakness to magic even though Dr. Strange has beaten him, would you?
No,he needed someone to help protect him from an opponent whose power was magically based. It says it right in the scan. The spell that he needed to battle him gave him access to the sun for 60 seconds. You can keep trying to downplay the evidence coming at you from videogames,futuristic versions of Superman,this Superman, etc. but it doesnt change the fact he is has a weakness against magic.
Someone else brought up the big deal they made in ic when BA's magic based punches werent having an effect on Prime. The only thing you said was that since he had training which means that Superman is vulnerable to it otherwise. I bet the training took place before this and we still see he needs help in dealing with a magic based foe. He was getting crushed on his own until another magician aided him. 😉
Now when did he receive this training? What ish of what Superman comic?
Originally posted by RaoulDC vs MK has some of the worst voice acting and dialogue i've ever seen from a DC adaptation... using it in any sort of debate is just dumb, imo... [/B]
Amen. They completely jacked up Diana's powers and her ending was laughable at best. Boon's favorite superhero is CM, which explains the treatment he got.
With Supes, they just kept looking for an out. By that I mean they knew everyone would say "How could Sonya hurt Superman," so this was their only explanation. It is really a poor one actually. IIRC, they never explicitly state how the magic is messing with Supes powers. It would be one thing if someone cast a spell on him or somehow cut off his connection with the sun, but neither of those things happened.
Personally, I don't see magic as a weakness for Clark. He's just not invulnerable against it. I would also guess that his resistance is less than someone like CM or WW. An opponent who wields magic would have an advantage over one that does not, but that fact in and of itself isn't enough to give them the win against him.
It's kind of similar to Diana's problem. She is invulnerable, yet supposedly her skin can be pierced by sharp objects. Clark is invulnerable, yet magic can affect him.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Amen. They completely jacked up Diana's powers and her ending was laughable at best. Boon's favorite superhero is CM, which explains the treatment he got.
CM owned so hard in that game it was ridiculous. i am quite handy with supes though, given the hours i put in, so i do give him a good fight.
but storywise, yeah, CM CM CM CM...
With Supes, they just kept looking for an out. By that I mean they knew everyone would say "How could Sonya hurt Superman," so this was their only explanation. It is really a poor one actually. IIRC, they never explicitly state how the magic is messing with Supes powers. It would be one thing if someone cast a spell on him or somehow cut off his connection with the sun, but neither of those things happened.
yeah... i was at least expecting them to use some sort of decent explanation...
Personally, I don't see magic as a weakness for Clark. He's just not invulnerable against it. I would also guess that his resistance is less than someone like CM or WW. An opponent who wields magic would have an advantage over one that does not, but that fact in and of itself isn't enough to give them the win against him.
pretty much...
Supes is not weak against magic. He just isn't invulnerable either. A bullet will bounce off his chest, a magic bullet will pierce it.
When magic enters the equation, Supes is in the same boat as people like Wonder Woman. A bullet will hurt her, but she is durable enougth to take blunt trauma.
A magic bullet or a magic blade can pierce his skin, but he is still durable enought to take magically backed blunt trauma. If he wasn't, the first time CM or BA ever punched him, his head would have exploded.
So, does magic present a unique problem to Supes, yes. But it is not a weakness like "oh crap magic is here, my heart just stopped"
Oh, and for Quan, the training with Zatanna was in the Camelot Falls story. I don't know the issue number, but the trade is out.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
Supes is not weak against magic. He just isn't invulnerable either. A bullet will bounce off his chest, a magic bullet will pierce it.
😕 Last I checked, if you're invulnerable to 100 things, and not invulnerable to 1 thing, then that is your weakness.
Supes is weaker against magic than he is against most other things (save K-nite & red sunlight.) Hence, that's a weakness.