Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Deus Ex takes place in a dystopian future in a world that draws heavily upon present day conspiracy theories. This dark setting is enhanced by the fact that the entire game takes place at night, a backdrop which adds to the atmosphere of conspiracies and stealth. The game contradicts itself in several instances regarding the exact year in which the events of the story take place, but information in the sequel Deus Ex: Invisible War reconciles this inconsistency via retroactive continuity, placing the events of Deus Ex in the year 2052. Most of the game takes place in fictionalized versions of real-world locations, including New York City, Hong Kong, Paris, Vandenberg Air Force Base, and Area 51.The plot of Deus Ex depicts a society on a slow spiral into chaos. A lethal pandemic known as the 'Gray Death' ravages the world's population, especially within the United States, and has no cure. A synthetic vaccine, 'Ambrosia', manufactured by the company VersaLife, nullifies the effects of the virus, but is in critically short supply. Because of its scarcity, Ambrosia is available only to those deemed 'vital to the social order', and finds its way primarily to government officials, military personnel, the rich and influential, scientists and the intellectual elite. With no hope for the common people of the world, riots occur worldwide, and a number of terrorist organizations have formed with the professed intent of assisting the downtrodden, among them the National Secessionist Force of the US and a French group known as Silhouette.
In order to combat these threats to the world order, the United Nations has greatly expanded its governmental influence around the globe. The United Nations Anti-Terrorist Coalition (UNATCO) is formed, with the intent of maintaining peace internationally and combating the world's ever-growing number of terrorist groups. It is headquartered near New York City in a bunker beneath Liberty Island, placed there after a terrorist strike on the Statue of Liberty.
The gameplay of Deus Ex offers many subplots which the player may or may not encounter, depending on their actions within the game. This synopsis concentrates on the game's main plot thread.
Conspiracies are one of the main themes of Deus Ex, and the game draws heavily upon popular real world conspiracy theories for many of its plot elements. These include speculations regarding black helicopters, vaccinations, and FEMA, as well as Area 51, the ECHELON network, Men in Black, cow mutilations, chupacabras (in the form of 'greasels'😉, and Greys. Mysterious groups such as Majestic 12, the Illuminati, the Knights Templar, the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission also either play a central part in the plot, or are alluded to during the course of the game.
During sections of the game where the New York skyline is visible in the background, the two towers of the World Trade Center are noticeably missing; the real towers were destroyed a year after the game was released. Harvey Smith has explained that due to texture memory limitations, the portion of the skyline with the twin towers exists in the game's data files but had to be left out of the final game, with the other half mirrored in place of it. According to Smith, during the game's development, the developers justified the lack of the towers by stating that terrorists had destroyed the World Trade Center earlier in the game's storyline.".
All that you have shown is that Deus Ex has a more intricate complex story than Halo. You did not show that Halo doesn't have a complex story.
Halo isn't the most complex story in the world, but it does have complexity. You just refuse to see it.
Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
All that you have shown is that Deus Ex has a more intricate complex story than Halo. You did not show that Halo doesn't have a complex story.Halo isn't the most complex story in the world, but it does have complexity. You just refuse to see it.
No, that's a complex story, Halo's isn't.
I'm not REFUSING to see anything, it's people INSISTING on seeing things in the game's story that are the problem here.
I've asked multiple people here to give me examples as to why it's "complex", and all of the examples are personal interpretation. Not themes, not ideas, not intricate details, not philosophy or any kind of devices, because none of those are inherent to Halo's story. It's all a very generic story. It's all what THEY got out of it.
So no, wrong. Try again.
-AC
Halo 3 sucks on its campaign. Honestly, I don't see what's the point with this thread if people keep going on and on about how great Halo 3 is even though it's not.
Gears 2 has a great campaign that would hype up most gamers and if you dare say that Gears 2's story line blows then you're just a complete idiot who shouldn't be playing games at all. Epic didn't come all this way just to hear your guys' negativity on what can possibly be game of the year.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Halo 3 sucks on its campaign. Honestly, I don't see what's the point with this thread if people keep going on and on about how great Halo 3 is even though it's not.Gears 2 has a great campaign that would hype up most gamers and if you dare say that Gears 2's story line blows then you're just a complete idiot who shouldn't be playing games at all. Epic didn't come all this way just to hear your guys' negativity on what can possibly be game of the year.
That is the point of the thread, to argue which game is better GOW2 vs H3, don't get all butt-hurt about, no offence 🙂 . Let me ask you this though, why does the Halo 3's campaign suck, but Gears of War 2's rock then.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Halo 3 sucks on its campaign. Honestly, I don't see what's the point with this thread if people keep going on and on about how great Halo 3 is even though it's not.Gears 2 has a great campaign that would hype up most gamers and if you dare say that Gears 2's story line blows then you're just a complete idiot who shouldn't be playing games at all. Epic didn't come all this way just to hear your guys' negativity on what can possibly be game of the year.
Halo 3 to me did not suck on its campaign, I very much enjoyed it, but thanks for trying to force your opinion on me. What the point of this thread is? To debate which game they feel is better...Halo 3 or Gears of War 2. That is the point and that is what has been being discussed. People saying that Halo 3 is great is how they feel, therefore in this discussion they are taking the Halo 3 side of it, and not the Gears 2 side. You are on the Gears 2 side obviously, as am I. But in a debate such as this, you can't just tell the opposing side to leave when they say things you don't like. That is counter productive in a debate.
I love(d) the Halo 3 campaign, same with Halo 1 and 2. I love(d) the Gears of War 2 campaign, as well as Gears 1.
And your logic can be used against you...Bungie did not come all this way just to hear your guys' negativity on what was actually the game of the year, as named by TIME magazine (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/11/time-magazine-names-halo-3-game-of-the-year/).
I love both games, but my personal preference is Gears of War 2. I enjoyed both story lines also.
I've played Halo 1 and 2. Probably one of the most boring FPS games ever. Just didn't enjoy any aspects of the game. Campaign was boring, nothing spectacular. The game is simply a game, has no life to it.
Played Gears of War 1, and that was fun for a third person shooter, but again, I just couldn't get too involved in it.
Since i haven't played the latest installments, my opinion shouldn't hold much water to the rest, but from what i've played thus far of the two games, I'd take Gears of War over Halo...EASILY.
Halo 1 and 2 are better than 3. Until I know further things about Halo 3 Recon, then I might have second thoughts about which game is better.
Halo 3's campaign felt dull to me for some reason. The only level that made me feel all hyped was the last level where you drive around to reach a ship before the halo ring blew up.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, that's a complex story, Halo's isn't.I'm not REFUSING to see anything, it's people INSISTING on seeing things in the game's story that are the problem here.
I've asked multiple people here to give me examples as to why it's "complex", and all of the examples are personal interpretation. Not themes, not ideas, not intricate details, not philosophy or any kind of devices, because none of those are inherent to Halo's story. It's all a very generic story. It's all what THEY got out of it.
So no, wrong. Try again.
-AC
You dismiss them as "interpretation" anyway so why bother, your just about as biased as anyone of us...
Originally posted by Nactous
You dismiss them as "interpretation" anyway so why bother, your just about as biased as anyone of us...
Because that's what they are, fact.
Got an argument? Present it, and like your others, I'll factually dismantle it until all you are left with is ignorance and persistent fanboyism.
If you don't have anything to say, bail and let him answer my post.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because that's what they are, fact.Got an argument? Present it, and like your others, I'll factually dismantle it until all you are left with is ignorance and persistent fanboyism.
If you don't have anything to say, bail and let him answer my post.
-AC
How the hell can you have "fact" when your talking about "complexity"?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I've explained this, you can't grasp it because you're just not astute enough, despite the premise being quite simple.Go play Halo, look at the pretty colours, leave people to discuss who are able.
-AC
So, if someone doesn't agree with you, you belittle them and insult them by implying that they're stupid and in the end make them feel like their opinions don't matter at all and shouldn't even be read if its not word for word like yours? Wow, just wow......
Originally posted by Nactous
So, if someone doesn't agree with you, you belittle them and insult them by implying that they're stupid and in the end make them feel like their opinions don't matter at all and shouldn't even be read if its not word for word like yours? Wow, just wow......
Considering I just gave you the credit to go pages debating with you, that's a stupid thing to say, isn't it? Yet, you wonder why you feel belittled.
The reason I'm treating you like you deserve to be ignored and shouldn't be listened to, well, it's because after all those pages of debating, you refuse to differentiate between fact and opinion, as well as refusing to/being incapable of actually grasping my point, despite me explaining it and repeating it and giving you evidence and facts. That's why I am implying that you're stupid. It's nothing personal. If you wanna ignore fact, I'll ignore you.
You're simply not worth the time here anymore, I've won my debate, and now the other guy can step up.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Considering I just gave you the credit to go pages debating with you, that's a stupid thing to say, isn't it? Yet, you wonder why you feel belittled.The reason I'm treating you like you deserve to be ignored and shouldn't be listened to, well, it's because after all those pages of debating, you refuse to differentiate between fact and opinion, as well as refusing to/being incapable of actually grasping my point, despite me explaining it and repeating it and giving you evidence and facts. That's why I am implying that you're stupid. It's nothing personal. If you wanna ignore fact, I'll ignore you.
You're simply not worth the time here anymore, I've won my debate, and now the other guy can step up.
-AC
I guess your not as deep as I thought then, since perception can always be debated. But if you want to base everything on what 'you' see and what 'you' think than by all means please do, I just wish you had a little more substance. But if you want to rape everyone with your opinion than by all means do. The facts that remain are that, Halo 3 is a game for the XBOX360, it is the third in the trilogy, person x is named whatever while person y is named....... I cannot argue the script because the words are there and what is there is fact, as generic as they are. However, your trying to argue complexity which is, at its core based on opinion. What next, are we going to argue that the night's sky is more "complex" than that of the days? Oh wow, I cant wait.....