X-Men/Avengers vs Justice League

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So why can't he be onshotted is what im asking...stop dancing around the issue.

How am I dancing around the issue, I gave you a reason at the top of this page, my god...

HE CAN REFORM HIS BODY

Got it now?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So why can't he be onshotted is what im asking...stop dancing around the issue.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Based on what, because we all know he can fight as fast as her right and we all know a lasso wouldn't work because....

Lemme break it down real slow like for you - She comes within 50 ft of him and she gets pinned to the ground because of all the metal she's wearing and the fact he can manipulate it. And if she attempts to lasso him farther out than that, obviously he's fast enough to react to it and dodge. He can also pause time and control the earth to throw up a barricade if necessary.

Originally posted by Mindset
facepalm

How am I dancing around the issue, I gave you a reason at the top of this page, my god...

HE CAN REFORM HIS BODY

Got it now?

And?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
And?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Lemme break it down real slow like for you - She comes within 50 ft of him and she gets pinned to the ground because of all the metal she's wearing and the fact he can manipulate it. And if she attempts to lasso him farther out than that, obviously he's fast enough to react to it and dodge. He can also pause time and control the earth to throw up a barricade if necessary.

So his combat speed is=WW suddenly...so what else do u have in ur bag of bullshit.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So his combat speed is=WW suddenly...so what else do u have in ur bag of bullshit.

I said he can dodge a lasso being tossed from 50 ft away.

Learn to read. Thanks.

So she can't easily gap the distance cause it isn't like she hasn't kept up with flash on foot or even entered the speedforce under her own power....

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So she can't easily gap the distance cause it isn't like she hasn't kept up with flash on foot or even entered the speedforce under her own power....

You realize Vulcan isn't slow? And that DC characters aren't the only ones with superspeed?

Originally posted by Enyalus
You realize Vulcan isn't slow? And that DC characters aren't the only ones with superspeed?

Originally posted by Enyalus
You realize Vulcan isn't slow? And that DC characters aren't the only ones with superspeed?

DC generally depicts more then just travel speed and understands the concept of combat speed...you know like DBZ.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DC generally depicts more then just travel speed and understands the concept of combat speed...you know like DBZ.

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't take her down because after he saved the guy she ran away...

excuses. 😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
He's stated flat out that he can't go from zero to mach 8 instantly, especially when turning, etc. Why would he be able to reach light speed instantly? And reacting and thinking at light speed are two different things. He's said he thinks at the speed of sound at least twice.

Also, the Zoom/Flash fight you were mentioning where he had Jay and Bart's speed - they were going 2000 miles per second. Not anywhere close to light speed.

i never said he could go from 0 to light speed instantly.

2000 miles per second? i'll need to re-check that issue, unless you happen to have the scan...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
This upgrade makes him on par with this team....WW oneshots him.

wonder woman is NOT one shotting iceman unless she has some magical spell to do so...

DC = DBZ? WTF!? NO!

Originally posted by Raoul
i never said he could go from 0 to light speed instantly.

2000 miles per second? i'll need to re-check that issue, unless you happen to have the scan...

Hm. It says 1000 miles with every punch. Maybe I'm thinking of the Bart/Zoom fight. Not positive. I'll sort through it tomorrow night.

Oh. A small correct on my part. When Wally was amped with Jay & Bart's speed he actually could go from zero to light speed instantly. However, without it (in issue 207), he mentions going about mach 8 instantly and him being lucky to break the sound barrier while turning and whatnot.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Hm. It says 1000 miles with every punch. Maybe I'm thinking of the Bart/Zoom fight. Not positive. I'll sort through it tomorrow night.

Oh. A small correct on my part. When Wally was amped with Jay & Bart's speed he actually could go from zero to light speed instantly. However, without it (in issue 207), he mentions going about mach 8 instantly and him being lucky to break the sound barrier while turning and whatnot.

then how does he have all those other feats that contradict the sound barrier being his reflex limit?

iirc, its actually contradicted in that arc (assuming you're right), when clark is chasing him... even if they are going at 2000 mps (which is the bare minimum, and isnt the actual speed imo), they are running through cities, that in itself requires turning and dodging and so on...

Originally posted by Raoul
then how does he have all those other feats that contradict the sound barrier being his reflex limit?

iirc, its actually contradicted in that arc (assuming you're right), when clark is chasing him... even if they are going at 2000 mps (which is the bare minimum, and isnt the actual speed imo), they are running through cities, that in itself requires turning and dodging and so on...

The 2000 mps feat was when Supes was chasing him, not during the Zoom fight. My bad:

And one of the instances (there are several) where he says he thinks at the speed of sound:

Originally posted by Zack Fair
DC = DBZ? WTF!? NO!

Just that DC generallly portrays combat speed in that fashion.

Originally posted by Raoul
excuses. 😛

i never said he could go from 0 to light speed instantly.

2000 miles per second? i'll need to re-check that issue, unless you happen to have the scan...

wonder woman is NOT one shotting iceman unless she has some magical spell to do so...

I dont consider iceman peak herald.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I dont consider iceman peak herald.

What does that have to do with anything?