Shin Akuma and Ken VS. Heihachi and Ryu

Yeah, thats a little different... E.Ryu has only ever canonically appeared once, and that was when he Metsu shoryuken'ed Sagat to the kadavers... And no, his costume/skin color didn't change that time, he only got glowing red eyes and a burst of purple energy outta his hand.

.................i'm not convinced 😐

~Sado

@DSZ : when I checked plot guide again, and I can't found any record of Gouki fight Ryu and Gouki become shin. would you please show me about the fight.

so, in my opinion, Shin Gouki's body color is just a gameplay to differentiate holding back Gouki with Shin Gouki. and there's no other proof that Gouki's hair would become silver white when he become Shin Gouki.

Well when Shin in a Capcom vs. SNK game he does so as well...

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/c/svcsak.htm

May not show his canon powers, but why would they make him look any different?

Shin Akuma solos the field.

Originally posted by Sado22
you don't make a website for nothing 😎
and jaxx sucks 😠

@Jaxx: goddamn it, why can't you just reply like everyother human being?! 😠

notice in the first post, where i talk about hogan routine. that's explain everything.
okay, you know when i'm wrong, i'll just go ahead and admit it. that's why i'm saying he got shitstomped because YOU reminded me that ryu only held his own after the hogan routine.
dude, and canonically, we KNOW FOR A FACT, that Gouki doesn't get a dyejob and change his gi. he IS shin when not holding back. the difference is shown in games only to distinguish between foo and shinfoo.

i'm not implying shite beccause common sense would dictate that if one character does a move that's said to be as strong as a kick, you'd assume its the character's own kick and not a donkey's or a fetus'. and hadouken has been shown to do barely any damage or anything in SF4 trailers as well as UDON both of which are canonical, unlike SFA anime which aside from being a pile of garbage was also non canon.
also ryu wouldn't demolish shite with the jacks because we HAVE NOT seen anything from him that even compares to what Kaz and Hachi did. heck, ryu hasn't even been shown to destroy walls, let alone armor plated robots. lifting 10 tons is one thing but we don't use that to support striking feats unless there are feats for that. which there arent. even going by "HARDON" comics, ryu's hadouken barely does anything beside knocking the person back and his strikes aren't that powerful either.

because gouhadoukens are so basic to gouki that he doesn't care about them. on the other hand he is more conscerned with shakunetsuhadouken. still, i might be wrong about this because like i said before, its IIRC.

can you prove that ryu has enough to take shots from akuma?

your first point is moot. otherwise, gouken wouldn't be getting shitestomped all over the place nor would Shi(t)Bison be getting spanked by girls. devil withtin aint may or maynot be canon, fact is *cough* "why can't would a company make something if it wasn't possible?" *cough*

so did he NOT hold his own after going Hogan? remember that i did mention "hogan routine" before also right after i mentioned the shitstomp part in the very first post.
you can drop the accusations now 😄

hogan routine....

unlike the SF-boys, i don't like throwing dirt in people's eyes and argue by making the other guy look bad....it was not 1000m, not by a long shot. you can just say "yeah, you're right" or i'll really start posting some shite.

then i don't care about this point of yours

that's where you're being stupid. there is a whole difference between that explosion and the island buster ( 🙄 ) punch. you know what the difference is? its simple: gouki [b]punched the foundation of the island with a solid blow where as the explosion was carried out on TOP of the mountain and was not a solid blow or soemthing but an explosion which consisted mainly of fire....you know how fires usually are. and taking that kinda shite at groud zero makes Heihachi an endurance god. period.

yeah, he's a regular masochist aint he? 😆

in stupid chinese manhua where Terry bogard oneshotted Sagat. i like terry bogard but i know bull when i see it 😐

~Sado [/B]

2. And Ryu's Hadoukens are not meant to be uber destructive. Ryu lifted a large boulder, physically, he should be able to push directly through a wall, and a Jack. And who does Ryu fight? Also, Gouki by feats is more durable than any Jack, and Ryu can hurt him. Ryu's Hadoukens are not supposed to vape or blow anyone to shit, they are non-lethal, Gouki's, are not.

3. Like I said, what source?

4. ...Other than he did? 😐 I mean really...You DID watch the SFIV intro, right?

5. Gouken has been shit-stomped? And you just proved my point. Power output does not equal durability. Well, Capcom also made Capcom Fighting Evolution. Going by what you just said, Gouki solos the thread with his meteor busting punches and space hopping speed.

7. He wasn't beaten like a rag-doll, but he was clearly not the one possessing the advantage.

8. Was it not stated in the canon guide to be 1,000 meters?

9. Cop-out. What are your "theories" then?

10. ...Can you post the vid? Cause that sounds much more fantastic than I remember.

When did Ryu hurt Gouki?

SFIV anime intro, his punches were ultimately in-effective, but Gouki could definately feel them and was noticeably fazed.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Well when Shin in a Capcom vs. SNK game he does so as well...

http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/neogeo/c/svcsak.htm

May not show his canon powers, but why would they make him look any different?

you used a non-canon game made by SNK as a reference? please show me the canon cource

You're copping out, the game was made by Capcom with SNK, why would they have Shin Gouki's appearance changed?

Not to mention in-game, he is represented as having the same white hair, and the notion that that is not the way Shin Gouki was intended to look is ignorance.

Then there is the fact that official Capcom merchandise like action figures of Shin Gouki have white hair.

you mean it was created by SNK. it's SNK who collaborate with capcom.

the game itself is not canon. for example, even another crossover such as capcom vs SNK 2 which is a result of collaboration between capcom and SNK shows different way about how Gouki turned shin. in CvS 2, Gouki turned Shin because of orochi power. and now you want to show me another non-canon game? we can't trust such a crossover games.

1. Hogan routine means you get shit-stomped, then come back and win. Gouki never lost. Change in gi maybe, but in the ending I posted, in the gameplay, and even on the official friggin action figures, Shin Akuma is depicted with white hair. Also, Gouki no longer considers Ryu "worthy", at least I am pretty damn sure that is what he said.

2. And Ryu's Hadoukens are not meant to be uber destructive. Ryu lifted a large boulder, physically, he should be able to push directly through a wall, and a Jack.

And who does Ryu fight? Also, Gouki by feats is more durable than any Jack, and Ryu can hurt him. Ryu's Hadoukens are not supposed to vape or blow anyone to shit, they are non-lethal, Gouki's, are not.

3. Like I said, what source?

4. ...Other than he did? I mean really...You DID watch the SFIV intro, right?

5. Gouken has been shit-stomped? And you just proved my point. Power output does not equal durability. Well, Capcom also made Capcom Fighting Evolution. Going by what you just said, Gouki solos the thread with his meteor busting punches and space hopping speed.

7. He wasn't beaten like a rag-doll, but he was clearly not the one possessing the advantage.

8. Was it not stated in the canon guide to be 1,000 meters?

9. Cop-out. What are your "theories" then?

10. ...Can you post the vid? Cause that sounds much more fantastic than I remember.

~Sado

so, in my opinion, Shin Gouki's body color is just a gameplay to differentiate holding back Gouki with Shin Gouki. and there's no other proof that Gouki's hair would become silver white when he become Shin Gouki.

come to think of it... SFA, CvS and SF3 Shin Gouki has different colors. more solid proof about this is a gameplay.

Sado>>KMC
we all know it 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
yeah i meant gameplay elements. my bad.
so going by those sprites, when gouki becomes SHIN:
-his hair turn white
-his eyes start to glow
-his normally purple/blue gi becomes purple
-the rope at this waist becomes a karate belt

.................i'm not convinced 😐

~Sado

Actually, his gi is black/very dark grey as REGULAR. Only lightens up a few shades when he goes Shin.

As for the belt and gloves, I can't explain those, it was never even considered in AAC... Which is where I got the source.

But here, again for your conveniance.

SF3 2nd impact regular Akuma

CVS2 Regular Akuma

SVC Chaos Regular Akuma

SFA series Regular Akuma

Notice how the only one that is blue is the SNK made one?

Now, lets do a Comparative.

SF3 Shin Akuma, Official, The way he should be.

CVS2 Snin Akuma, Empowered further by Orochi powers, (Non-canon)

SVC Chaos Shin Akuma, Same as above, also non-canon.

SFA Shin Akuma, Non Canon. He has the entire blue costume, but this one isn't official

@Kirikaze: I don't use Tiamat's plot guide, Ever... It's based mostly around his own oppinion.

@ k1Lla441: Depends on what part of the series you like, PS2 has all the great ones, CVS2, The Alpha Anthology, Capcom Classics, SVCChaos and Marvel vs Capcom 2, Even EX3 is on it. It also has the vast majority of King of Fighters games, as well as Fatal Fury and AOF Classics.

As for the rest, it's just Sado's rant all over again...*Snorez*

are you saying tiamat is unreliable now?

I have always stated that... if you read his discaimer, he states as much that alot of it was based on hypothesis rather than actual fact, the rest is 2nd hand knowlege from Saiki, and more hypothesis from Roland.

Only about a third of the entire guide could be taken at face value (AAC and SFE sources)

so, is there another source for SF canon story?

The source Books, Street fighter Eternal, and All About Capcom.

Oh, and for Sado, the Real Evil Ryu