Shin Akuma and Ken VS. Heihachi and Ryu

Oh, and for Sado, the Real Evil Ryu

Actually, his gi is black/very dark grey as REGULAR. Only lightens up a few shades when he goes Shin.

~Sado

@DSZ : those all books. 🙁

and... I have few question for you.

1. how did you know that the real canon Shin Akuma is the one just like SF3's Shin Akuma? he has neither canon appearances and endings
2. I never heard about Ryu fight Gouki in the very end of SF3. how did you know about Ryu fight Gouki again in SF3?

Originally posted by Sado22
Darko, you foo, the pic you showed is PSYCHO ryu. NOT evil ryu. they are different. we've spoken of Evil Ryu and it was spoken of in detail back in SF1......but no one said anything about his gi turning black cuz he went Emohadou. so it refutes what you're saying. also in the new SF4 trialer, dark hadou also doesn't turn his gi black IIRC. that's two points directly contradicting what you're saying.
thus far, SHIN Akuma's look is there only to serve as marker of the two characters.

Reread what I've said in the thread, nowhere did I claim that the dark skinned, black Gi wearing E.Ryu was canon did I?

In fact I've been stating the opposite, E.Ryu as most would know him, is largely a What if character, nothing more.

So no, nothing you've said refutes anything I've said.

Originally posted by Sado22
grey becomes purple?
dark blue becomes purple?
come on mane.

~Sado

*Sigh* look at the sprites... Read what I wrote next to each one... Only one of the 4 shin akuma spirtes I posted is in-fact canon, and it's not the purple or the blue one.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
@DSZ : those all books. 🙁

and... I have few question for you.

1. how did you know that the real canon Shin Akuma is the one just like SF3's Shin Akuma? he has neither canon appearances and endings
2. I never heard about Ryu fight Gouki in the very end of SF3. how did you know about Ryu fight Gouki again in SF3?

Yeah, they are all source books.

#1: Because it's the one and only time Shin Akuma has appeared in any official histories anywhere, he took on Ryu with his full power because Ryu said he was finally ready, he was strong enough to take on Akuma's full power. Akuma, then proceeded to test Ryu without utilising the full power of the Dark Hadou (IE: Regular Akuma fight).

When Ryu was proving himself worthy without succumbing to the Dark Hadou's influence, Akuma awakened all of his Dark Hadou, hence the seeming transformation.

After that though, the details of who won and lost is not available, but both are still alive, so i'm assuming it was eitehr a draw, Ryu won without killing, or Akuma let ryu live to become even stronger. Roll a dice I guess.

#2: SFE explained it, the epilougue chapter describes all the conclusions but leaves them relatively open ended so that Capcom has the option of continuing the story.

I don't remember Ryu turning evil in SF4 vid.

there are 3 or 4 of them so far. you probably only saw one of them. just type ryu vs vanessa...er...crimson viper 😂

Originally posted by Sado22
and ryu is depicted with black gi. but did his ki do anything to his outfit? no. even in the SF4 vid where he goes emoryu, did his gi become black? also, Shin gouki in SFA2 wears a gay looking purple gi but his hair remain red. IT IS INGAME thing to distinguish between the two. period.

if you know anything about fighting, you'd know that lifting strenght has virtually nothing to do with punching power because the overall conept of them both is totally different.

gouki has no endurance feats. period.

*grabs cock* this one, mofo!

he took a kick to the face and was thrown around like a ***** in the beginning. so by this token, jin has what it takes to soak punches from the likes of Jinpachi. heck, little girls in tekken hit harder than Ryu. asuka dusted a huge ass boulder with a punch and jin soaked it without even being phased. at least that shows that jin:
-has greater durability than ryu
-has what it takes to soak worse shots (Ogre, Jinpachi) and by that we can also understand why they lost to Jin in the first place.........its cuz he's uberhuman, has great power and has uber endurance. what has ryu done that he can soak shots from Akuma?
(see how much you guys use doublestandards btw?)

he never busted the meteor. we say him approach it...but that's about it. he wasn't shown to do squat IIRC. and jin defeated and soaked blows from jinpachi who can destroy all existence>>not even destroying meteor

who? too many pronouns here.

no.

see my site.

the intro to tekken5?

~Sado

2. There are four factors that influence the force of a strike. Strength, mass, technique, and speed. Ryu has the physical strength, the technique, he is fairly large, and is faster than Hachi. Ryu has all the strike categories above him except for technique. Hell, if strength does not factor into strike force, why does Hulk hit so damn hard then?

3. He took deep sea pressure.

4. In other words, you cannot even tell me your source.

5. I'm not even sure what you just said...But both have traded blows, and we already know how hard Gouki hits.

6. That's bullshit, we clearly see his purple aura engulf it, and we see the separated pieces of meteor in the aura. So now Jinpachi can destroy all existence? And you have the gall to call anyone else a fanboy? Lol.

7. Ryu held his own, but was clearly at the disadvantage.

8. Well talk to your Tekken friend Fuuma then, because he was the one who told me this shit.

9. No.

10. Like I said. Post it.

8. Well talk to your Tekken friend Fuuma then, because he was the one who told me this shit.

tekken friend? I know very little about tekken.

1. Who gives a shit what E. Ryu looks like? And I have several sources that show Shin Gouki with white hair, the ending I posted, the "OFFICIAL" action figures, and the game itself.

2. There are four factors that influence the force of a strike. Strength, mass, technique, and speed. Ryu has the physical strength, the technique, he is fairly large, and is faster than Hachi. Ryu has all the strike categories above him except for technique. Hell, if strength does not factor into strike force, why does Hulk hit so damn hard then?

3. He took deep sea pressure.

4. In other words, you cannot even tell me your source.

I'm not even sure what you just said...But both have traded blows, and we already know how hard Gouki hits.

That's bullshit, we clearly see his purple aura engulf it, and we see the separated pieces of meteor in the aura. So now Jinpachi can destroy all existence? And you have the gall to call anyone else a fanboy? Lol

Ryu held his own, but was clearly at the disadvantage.

Like I said. Post it.

~Sado

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
And I have several sources that show Shin Gouki with white hair, the ending I posted, the "OFFICIAL" action figures, and the game itself.

The plot guide says that Shin Gouki is just simply Gouki with no restraints and holding back, so by the story his appearance shouldn't really change at all.

Originally posted by Sado22
he wasn't that deep. at all.

Also, Tiamat's guide states from an interview (maybe it was just a statement) that the "3000" in the Shinku 3000 (the name of the sub depicted in that video) refers to the maximum depth that the sub can dive is 3000m, intentionally inserted by Capcom there.

And didn't Gouki K.O. Evil Ryu with like two fingers? Or was that from one of the comics?

Are you talking 'bout Gouki's 3S ending? He was actually at least 1000m under the ocean. Light from the surface of the water starts to darken at around 800.

Also, Tiamat's guide states from an interview (maybe it was just a statement) that the "3000" in the Shinku 3000 (the name of the sub depicted in that video) refers to the maximum depth that the sub can dive is 3000m, intentionally inserted by Capcom there.

And didn't Gouki K.O. Evil Ryu with like two fingers? Or was that from one of the comics?

~Sado

Originally posted by DarkC
The "white hair" Shin Gouki is Gouki basically being empowered with Orochi courtesy of a dying Rugal Bernstein and is technically non-canon (being from a CvS game). The official Shin Gouki (in SFA3) has a bright purple gi rather than aquamarine and flame red hair rather than orange.

The white haired one your reffering to is only the CFJ(E)/CVS2.SVC Chaos one, Yes, that is non-canon, the blue go wearing one from SFA series is also a what-if character like E.Ryu. But the SF3 2nd Impact one isn't a what if, that one is an actual character. And, beleive it or not, his hair is completely white/silver.

And I'll take this time to reinterate that I don't rely on Tiamat's plot guide... he leaves too many holes that he either plugs with oppinion, or leaves as is.

But the SF3 2nd Impact one isn't a what if, that one is an actual character. And, beleive it or not, his hair is completely white/silver.

Originally posted by Sado22
proof?

....................................

How many times do I have to post that?

Read this very page, my last post here................

Come on Sado, you can try harder than that, just put the beer down... Down..... No! Not another sip... Put it down... There we go... Now adjust your glasses, there we go.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Actually, his gi is black/very dark grey as REGULAR. Only lightens up a few shades when he goes Shin.

As for the belt and gloves, I can't explain those, it was never even considered in AAC... Which is where I got the source.

But here, again for your conveniance.

SF3 2nd impact regular Akuma

CVS2 Regular Akuma

SVC Chaos Regular Akuma

SFA series Regular Akuma

Notice how the only one that is blue is the SNK made one?

Now, lets do a Comparative.

SF3 Shin Akuma, Official, The way he should be.

CVS2 Snin Akuma, Empowered further by Orochi powers, (Non-canon)

SVC Chaos Shin Akuma, Same as above, also non-canon.

SFA Shin Akuma, Non Canon. He has the entire blue costume, but this one isn't official

@Kirikaze: I don't use Tiamat's plot guide, Ever... It's based mostly around his own oppinion.

@ k1Lla441: Depends on what part of the series you like, PS2 has all the great ones, CVS2, The Alpha Anthology, Capcom Classics, SVCChaos and Marvel vs Capcom 2, Even EX3 is on it. It also has the vast majority of King of Fighters games, as well as Fatal Fury and AOF Classics.

As for the rest, it's just Sado's rant all over again...*Snorez*

AND, from this very page:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yeah, they are all source books.

#1: Because it's the one and only time Shin Akuma has appeared in any official histories anywhere, he took on Ryu with his full power because Ryu said he was finally ready, he was strong enough to take on Akuma's full power. Akuma, then proceeded to test Ryu without utilising the full power of the Dark Hadou (IE: Regular Akuma fight).

When Ryu was proving himself worthy without succumbing to the Dark Hadou's influence, Akuma awakened all of his Dark Hadou, hence the seeming transformation.

After that though, the details of who won and lost is not available, but both are still alive, so i'm assuming it was eitehr a draw, Ryu won without killing, or Akuma let ryu live to become even stronger. Roll a dice I guess.

#2: SFE explained it, the epilougue chapter describes all the conclusions but leaves them relatively open ended so that Capcom has the option of continuing the story.

There now, see? That wasn't so hard was it Sado? 🙂

There now, see? That wasn't so hard was it Sado?

~Sado

or are you gonna suggest that Ryu got shistomped by Oro but was able to make Akuma go all out?

makes sense

I'm not making any assumptions, and I'm certainly not second guessing here mate.

Riot Iori got an entirely new stance unique to him, so there wasn't a need to do any color changes to him, this isn't the case with Shin Akuma, he uses the exact same stances, sprites and voice. Yes, the earlier versions where nothing but palette swapouts because those versions arn't official.

And no, I'm certainly not suggesting he got Shitstomped by Oro, then MADE Gouki go all out. Remember, Gouki allowed him to see the Dark Hadou's full might.

Do you see now? The only reaon Ryu's still alive is because Gouki allowed it.

well, as long as your saying your "assuming" then yeah fine. gouki went darkhadou but decided to go easy on "hogan" even then.

............................

No, Err, Sado? This was after the tourney? Oro himself even admitted he had to exert some effort in order to stop Ryu. Gouki being impressed enough with Ryu to show him the path that would have been had he taken up the Killing Intent.

And yeah, he let Ryu Go.

I'm imagining their final battle as incredibly intense, Whenever that is going to happen.

*burps from excessive beer drinking*
wha ya shay, darko? drunk

all I know is... Oro was impressed. that's a new story to me.