Shin Akuma and Ken VS. Heihachi and Ryu

"you have the same power as I". seems it could go either way. and this time the japs are saying "power" which is what they mean when they're talking about "strength" (when the say "strong" they mean skill btw).
not to mention that regular ryu was shown to do just about fine with gouki in SF4 and on top of that Evil Ryu and Gouki's special intro they were pretty shown to be equals.

Not to mention them being equal in power doesn't actually prove anything anyway

~Sado

Sado, your taking a pretty sizable leap of faith with loose interpretation there, which is at best still suspect to other meanings. And that means, you've got no solid evidence which refutes me.... I'm sorry dude, but thats the way it is.

solid evidence for what? for your stupid self-contradicting BS of a "proof" that the gouki in SF3 is the real shin gouki? something that we have no evidence for, which is directly contradicted by SF4 vids.

oh and now Akuma saying "you have the same power as i" does not mean that evil ryu and akuma are of comparable strengths just because YOU think akuma should be stronger. well here's the deal: how else do you translate "you have the same power as i" anyway? and why else would Akuma be chasing ryu for 10 years if it wasn't? the same evil ryu that was shown to be his equal in their game intros? the guy who was shaking the earth with just his transformation?
just stfu.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
solid evidence for what? for your stupid self-contradicting BS of a "proof" that the gouki in SF3 is the real shin gouki? something that we have no evidence for, which is directly contradicted by SF4 vids.

Sado, your really trying, I have to respect that, but the fact is, you don't read... you ignore whatever is conveniant and repeat points shot down already, let me make this PERFECTLY F0cking clear right now ok?

#1: Gouki became Shin Gouki in his fight with Ryu in 2nd impact, This fact is confirmed in AAC. *FACT*

#2: Once again, I never mentioned E/Ryu, and since the so-called Self Contradiction is based on what your gathering from Ryu/E.Ryu and not Gouki, is entirely your assumption and has no proven basis at all, let along anything solid.

Now, I have a question for you: Where did I contradict myself? or where did my evidence contradict itself?

Originally posted by Sado22
oh and now Akuma saying "you have the same power as i" does not mean that evil ryu and akuma are of comparable strengths just because YOU think akuma should be stronger. well here's the deal: how else do you translate "you have the same power as i" anyway? and why else would Akuma be chasing ryu for 10 years if it wasn't? the same evil ryu that was shown to be his equal in their game intros? the guy who was shaking the earth with just his transformation?
just stfu.

~Sado

Oh I dunno Sado, maybe it's because It could be that Ryu has ACCESS to the Dark Hadou Naturally? No, well hows about the fact that he could sense Ryu's Dark Hadou but didn't use it on Akuma?

Just like you said, they have the same energy source, but nowhere near equal power levels despite the common source, Akuma for one, has confirmed canon feats that are LEAGUES beyond ANYTHING any form of Ryu can do, this is a fact.

Akuma is nailing down Ryu because his POTENTIAL power may be enough to kill him, Akuma simply wishes to speed up the proccess by trying to force Ryu to utilise the Dark Hadou as he does. There is simply no way of determining wether or noth a Fully Awakened E.Ryu would be any kind of match for Akuma let alone Shin Akuma.

Right, now that Shin Akuma has been established as Canon fact by AAC and confirmed by me, can we simply leave this matter be Sado? I'm in no mood for continued sparrimg matches with you, we've been over this merry circus too many times in the past, Your going to continue to post here ignoring everything i've just said and recounting your only previously shot down point, that being the SF4 vid, which has been debunked 5 times now as having no relevance to the debate at hand.

first things first, sorry being rude in the last post. it was uncalled for. my bad, man 🙁

#1: Gouki became Shin Gouki in his fight with Ryu in 2nd impact, This fact is confirmed in AAC. *FACT*

#2: Once again, I never mentioned E/Ryu, and since the so-called Self Contradiction is based on what your gathering from Ryu/E.Ryu and not Gouki, is entirely your assumption and has no proven basis at all, let along anything solid.

Oh I dunno Sado, maybe it's because It could be that Ryu has ACCESS to the Dark Hadou Naturally? No, well hows about the fact that he could sense Ryu's Dark Hadou but didn't use it on Akuma?

Just like you said, they have the same energy source, but nowhere near equal power levels despite the common source, Akuma for one, has confirmed canon feats that are LEAGUES beyond ANYTHING any form of Ryu can do, this is a fact

Akuma is nailing down Ryu because his POTENTIAL power may be enough to kill him, Akuma simply wishes to speed up the proccess by trying to force Ryu to utilise the Dark Hadou as he does. There is simply no way of determining wether or noth a Fully Awakened E.Ryu would be any kind of match for Akuma let alone Shin Akuma

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
first things first, sorry being rude in the last post. it was uncalled for. my bad, man 🙁

Tis cool 💃

Originally posted by Sado22
okay, but was that "transformation" a fact? is it confirmed that shin gouki looks and transforms that very same way?

Yes, it is, and it does.

Originally posted by Sado22
but its the same power source and just because its more or less than Gouki's doesn't matter because more or less would not alter the conditions of his transformations.

Thats because Ryu doesn't technically transform as Akuma does.

Originally posted by Sado22
we have this one simple factor to count: why would akuma be going after ryu's ass if evil ryu was NOT comparable to him interms of power? heck, akuma literally coniseders ryu his archnemesis in this respect BECAUSE evil ryu is one of the few people who can actually kill him? i mean, do you really see akuma chasing ryu's ass for 10 years for nothing? in that light, his above quote does shed light on the matter. heck, there is another thing: why did he say "all other battles will seem like child's play" if their power was NOT the same? or atleast comparable?

Like I said, it's Ryu's potential power.

Then there is the line he said just after the one you quoted "When you have MASTERED your power, find me..." Namely when he has control over his Dark Hadou, Simply awakening it is not enough, E.Ryu is essentially a rage fuelled monster, and no real match for Akuma. He wants Ryu to embrace the Dark Hadou willingly and to master it as he does. Thats the reason he calls Ryu a spineless coward in the Trailer you posted, Ryu refuses to yield to the temptation for more power, and will not willingly awaken it or master it because of Gouken's teachings.

Originally posted by Sado22
and leagues above Gen too......but that never stopped Gen from whipping his butt in SFA3 now did it?

Lol Wut? Thats speculation from Tiamat! That never was confirmed. If that where true, Akuma would be dead.

Gen is an assasin, it's not in his character to return favours like that, thats why I disagree with this particular speculation from Tiamat.

Originally posted by Sado22
akuma is interested in Ryu's dark hadou. we all know it. and talking about potential and speeding up, you're pretty much just agreeing with me aren't you?

~Sado

Well, perhaps, Read above to get my view on it.

Tis cool

Yes, it is, and it does

Then there is the line he said just after the one you quoted "When you have MASTERED your power, find me..." Namely when he has control over his Dark Hadou, Simply awakening it is not enough, E.Ryu is essentially a rage fuelled monster, and no real match for Akuma. He wants Ryu to embrace the Dark Hadou willingly and to master it as he does. Thats the reason he calls Ryu a spineless coward in the Trailer you posted, Ryu refuses to yield to the temptation for more power, and will not willingly awaken it or master it because of Gouken's teachings.

Lol Wut? Thats speculation from Tiamat! That never was confirmed. If that where true, Akuma would be dead. Gen is an assasin, it's not in his character to return favours like that, thats why I disagree with this particular speculation from Tiamat.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
mastering one's potential and having it are two different things. i am not denying the fact that Gouki is more experienced with his power than Ryu is. but as it stands, they are equally powerful which is the sole reason why akuma's been doing what he's been doing.

Equally powerful? No. The same energy source, but doesn't mean equally powerful at their potential. I think Ryu is more powerful, but they are not equally powerful. Someone is more powerful.

Evil Ryu was equal to Gouki in SFA2 I think it was.

Gouki has gotten much stronger.

It all boils down to Gouki wanting Ryu's full potential fully mastered and in active use so he can finally use his full might in a match to the ultimate end.

Gouki would actually WANT Ryu to be stronger than himself, as he searches for the one who CAN defeat him.

Ryu can be stronger than Akuma and Akuma knows this. It's only a matter of time before Ryu reaches this "Gouken Type of Hadou".

Got no proof but if you look at how Capcom handles Ryu (not Ken...suckaz) it's pretty damn obvious.

M.Bison STILL wants Ryu's body. Even after he gets killed by Akuma.

Seth wants Ryu's power and NOT Akuma's. He even knows about Akuma.

Akuma wants to fight Ryu and on one else.

But does Seth have any way of finding Gouki?

From what I saw in the anime they couldn't even locate Ryu. They had to **** up Ken's life once again to find him.

I dunno if S.I.N has any more of a way of finding Ryu than Shadaloo did, considering that S.I.N's technology is directly inherited from Shadaloo technology. Gouki can sense Ryu at great distances, so he can always find him.

Bison wants Ryu because Ryu has the unique ability to contain UNLIMITED energy, and he already has access to the naturally occurring Dark Hadou.

Seth covets this naturally occurring Dark Hadou for the BLEECE project. Gouki's Dark Hadou has been mastered and is therefore incompatible with either Bison or BLEECE

Originally posted by Zack Fair
But does Seth have any way of finding Gouki?

From what I saw in the anime they couldn't even locate Ryu. They had to **** up Ken's life once again to find him.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I dunno if S.I.N has any more of a way of finding Ryu than Shadaloo did, considering that S.I.N's technology is directly inherited from Shadaloo technology. Gouki can sense Ryu at great distances, so he can always find him.

Bison wants Ryu because Ryu has the unique ability to contain UNLIMITED energy, and he already has access to the naturally occurring Dark Hadou.

Seth covets this naturally occurring Dark Hadou for the BLEECE project. Gouki's Dark Hadou has been mastered and is therefore incompatible with either Bison or BLEECE

Nah, not stronger. Not even the "what if" Evil Ryu is that strong. However it is stated that Evil Ryu is in the same league as ordinary Gouki, in terms of power at the very least.

As for possible potential power, well.. Ryu's potential power could be even higher than any Darkstalker powers we know of.. Or so they say.. The ability to hold unlimited energies is an incredible ability indeed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nah, not stronger. Not even the "what if" Evil Ryu is that strong. However it is stated that Evil Ryu is in the same league as ordinary Gouki, in terms of power at the very least.

As for possible potential power, well.. Ryu's potential power could be even higher than any Darkstalker powers we know of.. Or so they say.. The ability to hold unlimited energies is an incredible ability indeed.

And I really don't think Evil Ryu could phuck wit any REAL DS, he is just a man. He could be 1 of the few humans to dwell in Makai wit no problem wit the Dark Hadou and all. I think Bison was just talkin' shit when he was hollerin' 'bout unlimited power and immortality (could be wrong). I think guys like Akuma and Evil Ryu would be at a B+ in Makai, they could join Talbain's family.

It's non-canon reguardless, but no... E.Ryu would never have won that match, the gap bitween the two is simply to big...

E.Ryu and Gouki would quite literally curb the hell out of Talbain... Mid tiers havn't done anything even remotely close to sinking islands... Hell man, even Bishamon hasn't done anything that wild.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's non-canon reguardless, but no... E.Ryu would never have won that match, the gap bitween the two is simply to big...

E.Ryu and Gouki would quite literally curb the hell out of Talbain... Mid tiers havn't done anything even remotely close to sinking islands... Hell man, even Bishamon hasn't done anything that wild.

Talbain is just as fast as Ryu if not faster and I aint never seen Talbain wit power feats like E.Ryu and Akuma but I have seen Talbain slice chumps in half wit his bare hands. One wave from Talbains QUICK hands and it's over. And Bishomon could just still their souls...end of fight.

Bish has to KILL them first before he can attempt that. And Talbain is fast, but he can't 'port, he'd have a hectic time trying to keep up. And we can't forget th e shoto's newly reinforced durability, like tanking bullets to the face without so much as flinching...

I don't remember Bmon needin' to kill in order to steel souls but cuz I ain't sure I'll just check back at the gams and stuff.

So what's stronger, takin' bullets to the face or bein slashed by a DS wit ft long claws that can slash so hard that it slices peeps in 2. Or in half. And I can prove that.