Shin Akuma and Ken VS. Heihachi and Ryu

Just my two cents: You guys talked about things that effect strike force, like mass, height etc. Actually it's bone density and inner energy that plays the biggest role. Guys who wants to break bricks train to make their bones denser: hitting against hard stuff like wood for hours on end, breaking down the bone in their hands and letting them regrow denser, much like muscles does when you lift weights.

Also, many learn to focus inner energy and transfer them to their punches: that's why you get guys the size of bruce lee who can knock through 10 slabs of ice with seemingly no effort.

Alright, done

/nerd

agreed.

still doesn't prove anything.

😂 😂 😂

shin gouki stomps, team two gets a free trip to hell just for the audacity of challenging him.

Originally posted by Sado22
still doesn't prove anything.

Prove what? I've laid my proof down and the only thing you can come up with is "It's not the right color"

Lame!

Prove what? I've laid my proof down and the only thing you can come up with is "It's not the right color

who'se lame now, darkfoo?! 😠

Originally posted by Sado22
proof whcih you have backed up with stuff that has already been contradicted both in-game and by existence of other characters. Evil ryu and the fact that even ryu getting manhandled by regular gouki and pwned by regular Oro points heavily AGAINST what you said. not to mention that you don't have solid proof yourself.

who'se lame now, darkfoo?! 😠

WTF are you on about?

Nowhere did I argue E.Ryu is anything more than a what if character... Point out to me where I said otherwise Sado. Again your putting words in my mouth.

As for ingame, that actually supports me, observe:

See if you can prove where Ryu got mauled by Oro, or even Gouki in SF3 timelines genius.

I'll be waiting... 😮‍💨

See if you can prove where Ryu got mauled by Oro, or even Gouki in SF3 timelines genius.

Originally posted by Sado22
......the fact that Oro beat him up with one arm 😐
if someone beats you with literally an arm tied behind his back, that's means you've gotten the "proverbial asspwnage".

Err...............

Dude......... You do realise that you didn't prove a damn thing right there? Yes, Oro did defeat him, but how badly?

Kinda hard to prove that without details of the fight dude... Your speculating very badly, and blindly at that...

and you're proof of SF3 shingouki being canonical is also baseless. just because he "turns" into shingouki in-game doesn't mean he actually becomes like that. especially given the number of insconsistencies in the gamewise and canonwise depictions of characters to begin with (ryu wearing a white bandana when it should be red, psycho ryu looking perfectly like regular ryu even though he should have red glowing eyes etc), Evil ryu actually being a character.......and hte fact that we have never seen shingouki in any canon ending. also the shingouki of SF3 directly refutes those in other games and your logic of his ki manupilating the color of his outfits and hair is also self contradictory: red hair become white and a darkblue/dark grey karate gi becomes gray (and the rope becomes a karate belt 🙂 )
it doesn't make sense. at all.

~Sado

if Gouki was forced to go Shin by Ryu, then Ryu must have pushed Oro to used his left arm.

which he didn't.
either that or Shin akuma is one overrated wimp 😂

*tiredly*

Like I said before, it was a display of power more than an actual fight...

We know normal gouki stalemated Oro and outright flattened Gill, not to mention one-shotting Bison (Weakened or not, nobody has ever soloed Bison before, nevermind one-shotting)

and you're proof of SF3 shingouki being canonical is also baseless. just because he "turns" into shingouki in-game doesn't mean he actually becomes like that. especially given the number of insconsistencies in the gamewise and canonwise depictions of characters to begin with (ryu wearing a white bandana when it should be red, psycho ryu looking perfectly like regular ryu even though he should have red glowing eyes etc), Evil ryu actually being a character.......and hte fact that we have never seen shingouki in any canon ending. also the shingouki of SF3 directly refutes those in other games and your logic of his ki manupilating the color of his outfits and hair is also self contradictory: red hair become white and a darkblue/dark grey karate gi becomes gray (and the rope becomes a karate belt)

it doesn't make sense. at all.

#1: Baseless means I havn't actually shown anything, which I did. Read AAC

#2: Ryu only got the red one in SFA2, but nobody can say when he started wearing it, personally he should have worn it during A3, but I'm assuming that for some ungodly reason Capcom couldn't increase the number of colors on the character pallete to actually match that... (Which is bullshit, my old apple mack can make a character animation consist of 255 colors just fine, they limit it depending on the number of bits a system can take, hell a 16 bit animation has 18 colors per sprite...

#3: Actually, Psycho Ryu shouldn't have red eyes... That is the Killing intent awakening, hence why Bison got freaked out when that happened. Psycho power normally results in "lost" eyes (Completely pupilless like Bison's is), "Lost" with a bluish glow, or lost with a bright purple glow. but never red.

#4: E.Ryu being selectable as a what-if character wasn't even Capcom of Japan's decision, COA actually did that over the top for the american release of SFA2, and only later got introduced in japan. but he NEVER was a canon character to begin with. (You've been using this for ages now as an excuse, please stop... nobody is saying E.Ryu is canon anywhere, why do you insist on keeping this up based on E.Ryu when I never even mentioned him being canon?)

#5: Who cares if he's in an ending or not? I never said he was... And yes, he does refute them, because the rest where non-canon, like I've been saying... Congrats, you've just figured it out.

Sado, you've blundered this quite badly... please don't make me go through this all again.... I've repeated a number of those arguments 3 times or more, especially those that actually have nothing to do with what I'm saying, the E.Ryu stuff is completely irrelevant for starters...

Like I said before, it was a display of power more than an actual fight

We know normal gouki stalemated Oro

and outright flattened Gill

not to mention one-shotting Bison (Weakened or not, nobody has ever soloed Bison before, nevermind one-shotting)

1: Baseless means I havn't actually shown anything, which I did. Read AAC

Ryu only got the red one in SFA2, but nobody can say when he started wearing it, personally he should have worn it during A3, but I'm assuming that for some ungodly reason Capcom couldn't increase the number of colors on the character pallete to actually match that.

Actually, Psycho Ryu shouldn't have red eyes... That is the Killing intent awakening, hence why Bison got freaked out when that happened. Psycho power normally results in "lost" eyes (Completely pupilless like Bison's is), "Lost" with a bluish glow, or lost with a bright purple glow. but never red.

E.Ryu being selectable as a what-if character wasn't even Capcom of Japan's decision, COA actually did that over the top for the american release of SFA2, and only later got introduced in japan. but he NEVER was a canon character to begin with. (You've been using this for ages now as an excuse, please stop... nobody is saying E.Ryu is canon anywhere, why do you insist on keeping this up based on E.Ryu when I never even mentioned him being canon?)

Who cares if he's in an ending or not? I never said he was... And yes, he does refute them, because the rest where non-canon, like I've been saying... Congrats, you've just figured it out.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
in a fight that we have not seen or heard anything about. up to now, YOU are the only person who i know after all these years whose ever said this.

Thats only because I read about it recently, is tht all you have? Ad-populem? Please...

Originally posted by Sado22
neither of which were serious at the time.

True, but that doesn't discard anything i've said

Originally posted by Sado22
non-canon/not confirmed

So, for once, your saying that Tiamat is wrong?

I beleive it was confirmed in the sourcebooks that Gouki SGSed Gill, who later ressurected hours later.

Originally posted by Sado22
he blindsided the guy with his most powerful move. hardly something worthy of being called a feat.

Again, everyone assumes he bum-rapped Bison, when akuma's attack came from the front, well within Bisons field of vision, this claim is assumption.

Originally posted by Sado22
baseless means that what you're saying isn't "holding" under the arguments....hence the term "base".

So your saying that going by your own oppinion and nothing else, my claim is baseless despite proof positive to the contary?

I'd say your oppinion is baseless more than any confirmed facts mate.

Originally posted by Sado22
he started wearing it the moment Ken gave it to him in SFA2.

I know, reread my posts, I dunno why capcom didn't give it to him... the only explanation I have would be graphic limitation as I described. Either that or Capcom was being lazy again.

Originally posted by Sado22
going by story, it was Psycho Ryu not darkhadou. heck, his eyes go red like that in almost everyone's ending.

Going by story, Psycho Power is the Dark Hadou's kindred, an influx of it temprarily awakened it, hence "Red Eyed" Ryu. it';s also what fended off Bison's control. if you read the ending texts for Ryu, Sakura and Sagat, it should all be listed there.

Originally posted by Sado22
but he's in the game as stronger pallete swap of Ryu is he not? similar to how S.Gouki is a stronger pallete swap for gouki. which is what i've been saying from the beginning....its just a palette swap to differentiate the characters.

So similarities in context grant you the ability to say that the characters share circumstance and should not be considered?

Talk about baseless....

The only one I have said that isn't just a palette swap was SF3 Shin Gouki anyways, there IS no E.Ryu to be had in any SF3 game at all, your excuse just went out the window.

Originally posted by Sado22
okay, so you're saying that the character's appearance is canonical even though we've never seen him in an ending but only as a lousy palette swap.....similar to how other characters have their sprite's color changed to show the difference in-game?

~Sado

Sado..... reread the thread, I've pointed out where he canonically appeared, which is outside of the actual fight, - after you defeat Gouki, and the game does all the victory sequence stuff, all the scoring for the fight is done. then the screen goes dark, and gouki starts glowing as he stands up, and goes into his stomp, his aura flares, and the fight against Shin Gouki immediately begings against the darkened background (Think the Riot stages of KOF '97)

True, but that doesn't discard anything i've said

So, for once, your saying that Tiamat is wrong?
no, your english just sucks. or you probably have selective memory disorder 😂 tiamat ALWAYS writes "conjecture" everytime he guesses. or he uses the word "probably" and often italicizes it

[quote]I beleive it was confirmed in the sourcebooks that Gouki SGSed Gill, who later ressurected hours later.

Again, everyone assumes he bum-rapped Bison, when akuma's attack came from the front, well within Bisons field of vision, this claim is assumption.

So your saying that going by your own oppinion and nothing else, my claim is baseless despite proof positive to the contary?

I know, reread my posts, I dunno why capcom didn't give it to him... the only explanation I have would be graphic limitation as I described. Either that or Capcom was being lazy again.

Sado..... reread the thread, I've pointed out where he canonically appeared, which is outside of the actual fight, - after you defeat Gouki, and the game does all the victory sequence stuff, all the scoring for the fight is done. then the screen goes dark, and gouki starts glowing as he stands up, and goes into his stomp, his aura flares, and the fight against Shin Gouki immediately begings against the darkened background (Think the Riot stages of KOF '97)

~Sado

also the SF4 trailer that clearly shows dark hadou in action for the first time does not change anything about ryu except his eyes. and that was the first canonical depiction of Evil ryu outside of videogames..................and guess what? no black karate gi, no change of hair, no change of skin color.

and merry christmas, foo! 🙂

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
if they weren't serious they werent using their full potential.

And that means.... What for the argument at hand?

Originally posted by Sado22
i doubt it.

Then red the book and prove me wrong

Originally posted by Sado22
f0ck everyone. i don't care what everyone says....especially if by everyone you mean SF fans who happen to be the most misinformed bums out there who live on fanwanked BS, unconfirmed bull and selfcontradictory information. there was a time when "everyone" thought tekken didn't stand a chance against "hogan". so please, spare me the "everyone".

You and the Capcom haters is whom I'm reffering, your the ONLY ones who claim Bison was sneak attacked. Unfortunately Your arguments are "Baseless".

Originally posted by Sado22
what you showed didn't hold, mate. hence, baseless.

Which is only your oppinion on the matter, just because you say it's baseless doesn't make it so. Hows about providing counter evidence instead of sidestepping the issues like you've done since you came here?

Originally posted by Sado22
which is my point. capcom is even unreliable in their depiction of things INGAME.

I never denied Capcom wasn't lazy. In fact I've always stated this.

However, the fact that they sourced it and published it directly discounts your claim in this matter.

Originally posted by Sado22
and i'm saying that it doesn't prove that he is canon. these things don't prove squat mane.

~Sado

Then you need to relearn SFer mane... Don't argue with me about SFer any-more, I can't make this any clearer to you, and if you won't be swayed by whats in front of your face, then it only shows what I've said toyou and about you before, your too damn stubborn.

Originally posted by Sado22
also the SF4 trailer that clearly shows dark hadou in action for the first time does not change anything about ryu except his eyes. and that was the first canonical depiction of Evil ryu outside of videogames..................and guess what? no black karate gi, no change of hair, no change of skin color.

and merry christmas, foo! 🙂

~Sado

PLEASE REREAD THE F0CKING THREAD!!!!! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID E.RYU IS CANON!?!?!

I have not claimed this once, but your holding onto this for some strange and f0cked up reason, E.Ryu has nothing to do with S.Gouki, I'm not even arguing with you about him... Why do you persisit in this meaningless charade? this is now the 3rd time i've had to tell you I'm not even arguing E.Ryu, I didn't even mention him.

Oh, and a Heppy new year.