Originally posted by Lich KingWhich does not in any way, shape, or form lead me to believe he can take an explosion of that magnitude, or a blow which annihilated a large castle and warped reality.
Master Chief fell for miles and his armor just suffered temporary damage which it recovered from rather quickly. He can take a fair deal of beating.
And, his suit locked up. He could not move. If he can't move, he cannot defend himself.
Because nothing you mentioned has enough concentrated damage to hurt the Chiefs armor. You have disintegration of a landscape. Impressive, but by comparison it's a good feat of AOE. As far as actual damage is concerned, Covenent plasma weapons are many times hotter than the sun, and one plasma blast from a cruiser can go through 50 feet of steel that's strong enough to not be affected by the impact of an asteroid, and is strong enough to tank asteroids. The AOE of a plasma weapon is not as large, but the actual damage is much more impressive.
Considering that the armor wasn't even dented even though it weighs a 1000 pounds easily and was falling at terminal velocity, which means hundreds of feet per second, means that the impact delivered is in the multiple ton range. Considering that castles of those days were made of mostly olde brick and stone, which are utterly inferior to the chief's armor, the actual damage of the attack isn't as impressive, relatively speaking.
A clash from Nightmare and Siegfried at their WEAKEST annihilated a castle and caused dimensional rifts to open across the planet, and this is from a physical strike, which Chief is not as durable to, as shown by the fact that Elites can harm him, who may be cl;ass 60+, but they have not shown to be able to cause as impressive physical damage as Nightmare has while wielding a sword that isn't even Soul Edge, he didn't even have a "real" weapon while doing so.
And the fact that it was only done when the two beings clashed leads me to believe that the dimensional rift is not something that either can do alone, even if they are a thousand times stronger then they were in that instance. Why doesn't that happen every time either of them fight? A one-time feat performed under very specific circumstances isn't counted as a readily available ability.
Being class 60 is in itself > destroying a castle that is made of out of a material that regular humans can break with proper training.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown1. Because there is no other weapon powerful enough to equal their own. But each time Soul Edge is involved in a battle, tornadoes are caused, meteors rain, all that happy Godly crap.
And the fact that it was only done when the two beings clashed leads me to believe that the dimensional rift is not something that either can do alone, even if they are a thousand times stronger then they were in that instance. Why doesn't that happen every time either of them fight?Being class 60 is in itself > destroying a castle that is made of out of a material that regular humans can break with proper training.
2. O RLY? So anyone who is class 60 can demolish a castle in one blow with a shockwave that didn't even touch the castle?
That's bull.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because there is no other weapon powerful enough to equal their own. But each time Soul Edge is involved in a battle, tornadoes are caused, meteors rain, all that happy Godly crap.
Which means that it takes the two swords connecting to create a back lash that does that. That doesn't happen in every fight Soul Edge is in. It didn't happen when he fought Barbados, or Xianghua, and when he's fighting the foot soldiers there's nothing like that going on either.
It's beyond suspicious that the only time we see something like that happen is when the two swords collided that one time. And besides that little stun mortally wounded him and teleported both of them to different areas. He'd lose if that were to happen.
Yeah, that stuff happens. But it's irrelevant because they never actually affect the fighters.
2. O RLY? So anyone who is class 60 can demolish a castle in one blow with a shockwave that didn't even touch the castle?
Given enough time, yes. You seem to think that destroying a large area is a strength feat. It's not. If I take a baseball bat and completely shatter an entire ten foot window in one strike, that's not a better feat then someone destroying a small brick with their barehands.
To make a shockwave with a clash of swords that would result in a large castle being annihilated would require something at least akin to a Sonic Boom.
Can MC physically create a sonic boom?
What you don't grasp is that they did not actually TOUCH the castle walls, they destroyed them by clashing blades.
That's more force than would be required to lift 100 tons, let alone 60.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
To make a shockwave with a clash of swords that would result in a large castle being annihilated would require something at least akin to a Sonic Boom.
Or a bomb. *shrug* Unimportant either way.
What you don't grasp is that they did not actually TOUCH the castle walls, they destroyed them by clashing blades.
What you don't seem to grasp is that it's irrelevant because castle walls aren't that strong.
That's more force than would be required to lift 100 tons, let alone 60. [/B]
Wrong. It requires 60 tons spread over a large area.
Given enough time, yes. You seem to think that destroying a large area is a strength feat. It's not. If I take a baseball bat and completely shatter an entire ten foot window in one strike, that's not a better feat then someone destroying a small brick with their barehands.
Apparently that's complicated, so I'll use a better example.
By your logic, me knocking out Shaq in one punch means I'm easily much stronger and can beat you, who managed to knock out Superman in one punch, because Shaq is bigger.
And way to like, utterly change the subject and not address any of my points directly. You sure dropped the whole 1. 2. thing quickly.
How is it PIS?Soul Edge and Soul Calibur each rival the Gods, Soul Edge has devoured countless souls, and has caused planetary cataclysm by ITSELF.
Planetary cataclysm lol. Some tornado and turning the sky black does not= "planetary cataclysm". And again I'll just repeat myself and maybe you'll actually address it word for word this time:
Which means that it takes the two swords connecting to create a back lash that does that. That doesn't happen in every fight Soul Edge is in. It didn't happen when he fought Barbados, or Xianghua, and when he's fighting the foot soldiers there's nothing like that going on either.
It's beyond suspicious that the only time we see something like that happen is when the two swords collided that one time. And besides that little stun mortally wounded him and teleported both of them to different areas. He'd lose if that were to happen.
Yeah, that stuff happens. But it's irrelevant because they never actually affect the fighters.
Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown1. Or a shockwave.
Or a bomb. *shrug* Unimportant either way.What you don't seem to grasp is that it's irrelevant because castle walls aren't that strong.
Wrong. It requires 60 tons spread over a large area.
Apparently that's complicated, so I'll use a better example.
By your logic, me knocking out Shaq in one punch means I'm easily much stronger and can beat you, who managed to knock out Superman in one punch, because Shaq is bigger.
And way to like, utterly change the subject and not address any of my points directly. You sure dropped the whole 1. 2. thing quickly.
Planetary cataclysm lol. Some tornado and turning the sky black does not= "planetary cataclysm". And again I'll just repeat myself and maybe you'll actually address it word for word this time:
2. And NM never touched them. And said castle walls are spread along for hundreds and hundreds of feet. They annihilated it at their absolute weakest.
3. Which is impossible for MC to physicaally do. He can break through a castle wall yeah. NM and Siegfried annihilated the entire castle accidently as a result of their fight.
4. Your example is of far greater difference in magnitude than what you are comparing it to, making it faulty. Shaq is a normal human. Superman survives blasts akin to 50 stars exploding. Superman is 6'3" and 240 pounds. Shaq is 7'2" and 330 pounds. The castle is hundreds, maybe thousands of times greater in size than Master Chief's armor. Master Chief's armor, though clearly more durable, the difference between the castle walls and it is thousands of times less than that of Shaq and Superman.
Here's a better example. A guy punches clean through a few inches of diamond. Then, two guys punch eachother, and the resulting force completely destroy the buildings around them. Are you going to tell me that punching through a few inches of diamond require more force than that?
5. I was talking about the Evil Seed which occurred when Siegfried first became Nightmare, which was a planetary cataclysm.
6. I pretty much conceded that post.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which does not in any way, shape, or form lead me to believe he can take an explosion of that magnitude, or a blow which annihilated a large castle and warped reality.And, his suit locked up. He could not move. If he can't move, he cannot defend himself.
Frederic was one of the Spartans who actually, as LK described, fell "miles" out of the sky when his team's Pelican dropship lost flying capability. He smashed clean through the trunk of a tree and didn't even lose consciousness.
Not to mention that Chief got hit by an Anti-Tank missile and also retained consciousness and was well enough right after to sprint better than the fastest athletes today.
All this talk about explosions and sonic booms and whatnot are fairly moot. There was an old Reader's Digest article that a friend showed to me after she read it - it was about how resilient the human body actually is. The way our bodies are built allow us to go through torquing, stresses, and forces that other inanimate things would never survive intact. In short, we're more durable than your average commercial car in our own way.
An Irishman's bomber was hit by shrapnel over Germany during a November run - instead of choosing to suffocate or burn to death in his plane he decided to just jump out a few miles above the ground. He not only survived but suffered no injury other than a concussion and being blacked out for a few minutes.
Only other incident I recall is some woman falling 5 stories off a building and being released from the hospital the next day with a cast.
With this and Chief's feats of survivability mentioned above I'll just say "Yeah, he can totally f***in' survive that shit."
Originally posted by Zack Fair
At least you brought up Vader and not that broken piece of shit Yoda >_<!
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I am drunk so excuse if I sound odd, but besides transporting people to his dimension what has Nightmare done at his strongest that makes that weakened feat so small?
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Because there is no other weapon powerful enough to equal their own. But each time Soul Edge is involved in a battle, tornadoes are caused, meteors rain, all that happy Godly crap.2. O RLY? So anyone who is class 60 can demolish a castle in one blow with a shockwave that didn't even touch the castle?
That's bull.