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Originally posted by darthgoober
Did Polaris attack Supes WHILE Supes was down and helpless? No. He turned his back on him once and stopped to step on him the second time. I have no trouble admitting that Supes could have KO'd him if he just hauled off and hit him but it's not relevant here because unlike Magneto, Polaris was just walking/flying around without a forcefield. My point has nothing to do with Supes's offensive capabilities, it has to do with his defensive capabilities against attacks of the type we're discussing.
And my point is that you’re using stacked evidence. Superman didn’t even start on the offense until the armor was made, which was at the very end of their encounter. Up until that point, Supes was basically just standing there allowing Dr. Polaris free shots. Magneto isn’t going to have that luxury here. Superman isn’t going to stand around and let Magneto have his way with him. If Dr. Polaris did all that to Superman while they were actually locked in a battle, then using it as evidence would hold more weight.
Also, I’m pretty sure you’ve heard of the saying “the best defense is a good offense,” right? If Superman is barraging Magneto with all sorts of attacks, there’s no chance in hell he’s going to have the bearings to attack Superman’s energy.
Originally posted by darthgoober
If he'd smashed Supes with the car WHILE he was deflecting the light rather than let up to step on him I'm willing to bet that Supes wouldn't have been able deal with the car as he did.
I question his (Dr. Polaris’) ability to pick up cars while deflecting or absorbing energy away from Superman. The only time he was ever multitasking in the manner you speak of was when he had a major power upgrade.
Originally posted by darthgoober
That's why I said that Mags could pull a few if he fought SMART. By smart I mean start pummeling him with stuff WHILE messing with his solar energy. Of course I may be mistaken in assuming that Mags can multi-task with his powers like that(you'd know better than I)...
Indeed, I would know better than you. sly I doubt Magneto would be doing anything else at the same time if he attempted to “screw with” Superman’s energy.
However…
Absorbing his energy is out. At the same time it’s sucked out of his body Supes can just absorb more and more solar radiation to replenish himself.
Also, the idea of “bending solar radiation” away from Superman is quite illogical. That’s like trying to say that Superman doesn’t have any powers at night. We both know that isn’t true. So not only is the question of PIS brought up, but there’s a myriad of showings to contradict that which was shown in Strange Attractors.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No he didn't. He never attacked Supes while Supes was actually helpless so he didn't properly capitalize on his advantage.
He capitalized as best he could. As soon as he finished with his attack, he moved on to throw cars at him. The onus is on you to prove that Dr. Polaris could’ve been launching cars, trucks, extra metal, etc. at the same time he was bending solar radiation away from Superman.
Originally posted by darthgoober
By running him through with a stop sign or something WHILE Supes's energy is being messed with.
This is not a tactic I’m convinced Magneto will be able to accomplish, much less attempt. A LOT of theoretical arguments are being tossed around here without any actual proof. Magneto never does any of what everybody is suggesting he'd do in this fight.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Agreed on everything but the part about it only being an annoyance. I have no problem with admitting that Mags has little chance without messing with Supes's energy.
He has little chance even if he tries to “mess with his energy.” Superman’s speed makes this a highly improbable tactic. All Superman has to do is use his quickness to make any of Mags’ attacks completely moot. Erik won’t even be able to get a lock on him.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And that Supes is going to be dealing with Mags forcefields and having his energy messed with...
I doubt Magneto would even be able to manipulate Superman with his shield up. Any energy I’ve seen Magneto absorb, he’s broken his own shield on purpose or his shield was already down.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Have you seen him manipulate light? Have you seen him mess with internal energy?
Let’s just put it this way. I’ve seen Magneto absorb internal energy less often than I’ve seen Superman use T-Vo. And I’ve read plenty of stories that contain Magneto in them.
So before you go pumping the brakes on the idea of a Superman speed blitz, I’d suggest critiquing your own evaluation of this battle.
The only time I recall Magneto messing with someone's energy was when he absorbed the Phoenix’s life energy by using the bottle neck effect. He did this after the Pheonix’s power limit was reached and she couldn’t attack anymore. If he tried something like this against Superman, he’d pay for it. Plus there's absolutely no guarantee it'd even work on Clark. And that showing was quite a long time ago, so I don’t think a reasonable argument could be made for Magneto to mess with anybody’s internal energy in a forum battle.
Magneto’s offense would amount to nothing in this battle. He doesn't really have what it takes to harm somebody with Superman's level of durability.
Even if Magneto gets his shield up in time before Superman attacks him, I’d be willing to bet that 1000’s of punches/second would easily do the trick of breaking Magneto’s shield. From there, it’s game over.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And rapidly recovering after the effect is taken away doesn't equate to the effect failing...
I never said the effect failed. I said he wasn’t powerless.