Superman (modern) vs Magneto

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Which was debunked by the mods and u recieved a warning for, which is like what the 6th warning u got already.

No it wasn't. And I backed up my point with scans from five different issues.

It's never been explicitly stated that Superman is faster than light. All anyone has is how he supposedly traveled from someplace in space to another. Which means nothing in comics, really. And to think someone earlier today called SS's FTL feats ambiguous. Heh.

Anywho, it's clear that you can't prove Superman can blitz Magneto at light speed or faster. And Magneto has tracked Captain Marvel while she was going light speed - easily. So he won't be blitzed before he can get his shield up.

When it comes to blitz speed...

He creates a vortex, rounds up the entire army, and tosses them in the boom tubes while they are still stuck in the vortex.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No it wasn't. And I backed up my point with scans from five different issues.

It's never been explicitly stated that Superman is faster than light. All anyone has is how he supposedly traveled from someplace in space to another. Which means nothing in comics, really. And to think someone earlier today called SS's FTL feats ambiguous. Heh.

Anywho, it's clear that you can't prove Superman can blitz Magneto at light speed or faster. And Magneto has tracked Captain Marvel while she was going light speed - easily. So he won't be blitzed before he can get his shield up.

So Supes travelling to a galxy over 25 light years away in a couple minutes is ambigous and doesn't indicate FTL lol. On that note, how is it"supposedly"when the very narrative explains it...I mean dude seriously.

Mag has never reacted to a direct physical assult agaisnt him at high speed, even if supes has never gone at LS in earth's atmosphere hs has gone at speeds fast enough to travers continents in seconds....unless u manfist a scan of Mag reacting to a direct high speed attack then ur argument still remains basless.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So Supes travelling to a galxy over 25 light years away in a couple minutes is ambigous and doesn't indicate FTL lol. On that note, how is it"supposedly"when the very narrative explains it...I mean dude seriously.

It doesn't explain that he flew there under his own power. And the trip takes place off panel. And there's plenty of evidence - recently especially (2000-2007) to suggest that he can't. I've already posted scans of them.

I don't really want to get into that.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Mag has never reacted to a direct physical assult agaisnt him at high speed, even if supes has never gone at LS in earth's atmosphere hs has gone at speeds fast enough to travers continents in seconds....unless u manfist a scan of Mag reacting to a direct high speed attack then ur argument still remains basless.

Flash can do the same thing. And Magneto's punked Quicksilver before.

Originally posted by Enyalus

It doesn't explain that he flew there under his own power. And the trip takes place off panel. And there's plenty of evidence - recently especially (2000-2007) to suggest that he can't. I've already posted scans of them.

I don't really want to get into that.

Flash can do the same thing. And Magneto's punked Quicksilver before. [/B]

In Supes/Flash defense, Quicksilver has nothing on the Flash.

Originally posted by Enyalus

It doesn't explain that he flew there under his own power. And the trip takes place off panel. And there's plenty of evidence - recently especially (2000-2007) to suggest that he can't. I've already posted scans of them.

I don't really want to get into that.

Flash can do the same thing. And Magneto's punked Quicksilver before. [/B]

It explains he made the trip in minutes...if there was some plot device that induced him with a boast don't u think it would be mentioned..ur stretching dude. There are pleanty of other examples of him being FTL dude lol...geez seriously u think he can't go FTL.

Has mag ever reacted to a direct physical blitz before, yes or no?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Has mag ever reacted to a direct physical blitz before, yes or no?

Yes.

Originally posted by batdude123
She didn't bend light away from his eyes to make him blind. She used high frequency infrared radiation in order to blind him.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're making it seem as if because Dr. Polaris was letting up on his attacks, he didn't finish off Superman. Quite the opposite is true. How many instances could Superman have put Neal to sleep, but didn't? How many "warnings" did Superman give him?

Originally posted by batdude123
Gloating? Once he bent the light away from him he put his foot on top of Superman and then immediately afterward, threw a car at him. That's not exactly letting him off.

Originally posted by batdude123
Supes was down for maybe a second but in the next instance was back to full power. She then started flinging metal cables at him, cars, and then finally built a suit of a metal and started punching him. Nothing serious enough to have a lasting effect on the guy who eats planet destroying attacks for breakfast.

Originally posted by batdude123
Sure he did. He just didn't pose enough of an offensive challenge to threaten Superman's consciousness.

Originally posted by batdude123
... How? Blinding him doesn't work. His other senses are at a superhuman level, so it didn't make a difference at all. Absorbing or directing light away from him doesn't work either because he can replenish almost immediately. The same thing was proven when Superman fought Ruin. Even pumped full of red solar radiation Superman was back to full strength in an instant because the yellow solar radiation pushed all of it out. As stated by Professor Emil Hamilton, under stress Superman's body can absorb progressively more and more yellow solar radiation.

By running him through with a stop sign or something WHILE Supes's energy is being messed with.

Originally posted by batdude123
So apart from cheap tricks that would only annoy Superman, there's nothing that Magneto could really do.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not to mention he isn't going to have the luxury of Superman trying to calm him down in this encounter. He's going to have a balls-to-the-wall, in your face, god smashing Superman ready to knock his ass out.

Originally posted by batdude123
Also, this argument of "just because A can do it, obviously B can too" doesn't cut it with me. Some of the things Polaris did I've never seen Magneto accomplish.

Originally posted by batdude123
Almost instantly after being "sapped," a car was tossed at him. If he was indeed powerless, he wouldn't have been able to save that woman. Being stunned doesn't equate to being powerless.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes.

So somone on supes speed level.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In Supes/Flash defense, Quicksilver has nothing on the Flash.

True. However, despite what people on this board might want you to think, Flash rarely goes anywhere near light speed. Most of the time he's around 900-1500 mph. Which is Mach 2 or so. For instance, in Flash 209, when he and Nightwing are attacked by Grodd and Flash ends up one-shotting him by running all the way out of down to build momentum and then back in for the punch - it says on panel he's going Mach 10. Within Pietro's range. They're comparable most of the time. It's just that Flash has that whole other gear he can reach back and kick in, which Quicksilver does not.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So somone on supes speed level.

Originally posted by darthgoober
This is growing old fast, support your claims with evidence or be reported for trolling...

So show us a scan of Supes blitzing at a faster speed than Mags has reacted to, or show us a scan that indicates it's within Supes's character to kill in cold blood with a FTL bullrush.

I didn't read everything on this thread but darthgoober are you debating Magneto will Win against Superman for a majority? or Mag does have minor chance of winning?

Originally posted by kgkg
I didn't read everything on this thread but darthgoober are you debating Magneto will Win against Superman for a majority? or Mag does have minor chance of winning?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Supes wins the majority... but I don't see him pulling off a speedblitz for the win and I'm pretty sure Mags could pull a few if he played it smart.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah, I stand corrected.

Did Polaris attack Supes WHILE Supes was down and helpless? No. He turned his back on him once and stopped to step on him the second time. I have no trouble admitting that Supes could have KO'd him if he just hauled off and hit him but it's not relevant here because unlike Magneto, Polaris was just walking/flying around without a forcefield. My point has nothing to do with Supes's offensive capabilities, it has to do with his defensive capabilities against attacks of the type we're discussing.

If he'd smashed Supes with the car WHILE he was deflecting the light rather than let up to step on him I'm willing to bet that Supes wouldn't have been able deal with the car as he did.

That's why I said that Mags could pull a few if he fought SMART. By smart I mean start pummeling him with stuff WHILE messing with his solar energy. Of course I may be mistaken in assuming that Mags can multi-task with his powers like that(you'd know better than I)...

No he didn't. He never attacked Supes while Supes was actually helpless so he didn't properly capitalize on his advantage.

By running him through with a stop sign or something WHILE Supes's energy is being messed with.

Agreed on everything but the part about it only being an annoyance. I have no problem with admitting that Mags has little chance without messing with Supes's energy.

And that Supes is going to be dealing with Mags forcefields and having his energy messed with...

Have you seen him manipulate light? Have you seen him mess with internal energy?

And rapidly recovering after the effect is taken away doesn't equate to the effect failing...

Signing off for now. Will be back on tomorrow.

Originally posted by batdude123
Signing off for now. Will be back on tomorrow.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
It explains he made the trip in minutes...if there was some plot device that induced him with a boast don't u think it would be mentioned..ur stretching dude. There are pleanty of other examples of him being FTL dude lol...geez seriously u think he can't go FTL.

Has mag ever reacted to a direct physical blitz before, yes or no?

Superman doesn't even need to direct blitz Mags (although that is an option) since he has a plethora of powers that he can easily use at all sorts of ranges.

Millions of EM sources, HV hotter than the Sun (and the blackrock has been tossed directly IN the sun) that had the rock afraid and was leaching right through the shields.

Just one option and scenario. People need to stop thinking Supes stands there and h2h's everyone.

Originally posted by Avlon
Millions of EM sources, HV hotter than the Sun (and the blackrock has been tossed directly IN the sun) that had the rock afraid and was leaching right through the shields.

Holy shit. That second scan is awesome. 😐

Although, I doubt HV would work on Magneto, seeing as how he's deflected Cyclopes' blasts.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Holy shit. That second scan is awesome. 😐

Although, I doubt HV would work on Magneto, seeing as how he's deflected Cyclopes' blasts.

Cyclops range and power output are laughable compared to Supermans.

Supes could easily sit on the moon and hit mags with that same energy in a beam the size of a state....

Originally posted by Avlon
Cyclops range and power output are laughable compared to Supermans.

Supes could easily sit on the moon and hit mags with that same energy in a beam the size of a state....

He did something like that while sunamped, didn't he? Heated the entire Earth from like 200,000 miles away?