Originally posted by PlacidityI don't really think so actually. No one denies that DBZ characters can destroy the moon (which is apparently made out of hopes, wishes and sawdust), but what happened in this thread is that someone said, rightly, Picollo can destroy the moon, but then wrongly, therefore I assume Goku can destroy the sun. Which doesn't follow.
The problem is when it comes to Goku vs Superman fans, the Supes-backers never follow the rules, which at KMC is always use the [b]high showings/feats.For example:
X>Vegeta>Piccolo
Piccolo can destroy the moon.
X cannot destroy the moon.
Therefore Vegeta cannot destroy the moon.
And then all of a sudden, DBZ characters are incapable of destroying the moon.
Point is, Supes-backers ALWAYS pick the lowest feats for DBZ characters. Somehow low feats negate high feats (against the rules). [/B]
But if you give a list of Goku's highest feats, I am sure others will give the highest feats of Superman (which include far above lightspeed flight and combat, and survival of large, double black holes).
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Ginyu's body change isn't what made him stronger than Saiyan Vegeta. He could floor him without the change, Recoome had no special ability just raw strength and Jeice had no special ability as well and they were all stronger than him.Dodoria and Zarbon are stronger than Saiyan Vegeta and they can't bust planets. The androids are far superior to Saiyan saga Vegeta and none of them can bust planets including Cell up to 2nd form.
their PL is more powerful than vegeta but as I said before, Guldo can compress a time, Butter have a speed, etc. true, they can fight much better than vegeta saiyan saga but they never showed that power. but we still don't know whether they can bust a planet or not since they never said they can't destroy a planet.
Cell can destroy an island while in 2nd form with a simple ki blast. what will happened if he used his full power? much worse.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
their PL is more powerful than vegeta but as I said before, Guldo can compress a time, Butter have a speed, etc. true, they can fight much better than vegeta saiyan saga but they never showed that power. but we still don't know whether they can bust a planet or not since they never said they can't destroy a planet.Cell can destroy an island while in 2nd form with a simple ki blast. what will happened if he used his full power? much worse.
Jeice, Recoome and Ginyu really had no special ability or power that put them above Vegeta, just raw power and strength. We know that they can't destroy a planet because they don't have any feats that put them at a planet busting level. You shouldn't base facts on what people say or may not say.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Jeice, Recoome and Ginyu really had no special ability or power that put them above Vegeta, just raw power and strength. We know that they can't destroy a planet because they don't have any feats that put them at a planet busting level. You shouldn't base facts on what people say or may not say.
the funny thing is, vegeta can destroy a planet. even he intended to destroy earth because he's really pissed off. maybe they can but they never showed it or if what you said is right, the ginyu forces are different types of fighters and their skill is something that makes them strong.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
if this goes down ten times, wouldn't goku (a saiyan) be too strong after about...2 fights? by the third one goku's power will jump to the point where he'd be playing around with superman.
Goku would die in the first fight. That would be the end.
Doing a best out of ten and allowing Goku to increase in power each round, while keeping Superman at a constant is ridiculous.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Why? Because that's how Goku's power scaling works? So just because Supes is already at a redonkulous level of power, there should be no chance for Goku to catch up? Even though that's what he always does?
1) Because he'd be dead, after the first round.
2) If you have to have gimps so the weaker person can win, what's the point?