Originally posted by carthage
I already showed that he easily deflected his blade off. Katarn had help and if he was as skilled as you're trying to pass him off, with sufficient help he should've been able to beat him.
Katarn did not have help he had hindrance and you can't judge the whole fight on how Caedus blocked one strike. If Caedus was more skillfull he wouldn't have resorted to trickery, he would have just killed Katarn.
Originally posted by Imperial Knight
Kuro is not massively inferior to Mara, Kuro was actually incredibly skilled and arguably better than Mara.
Based on what? Last I recall, she has no impressive skill accolades or feats, and as for her fight against Vader, he would have beaten her easily in a pure lightsaber duel were it not for her esoteric powers.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Based on what? Last I recall, she has no impressive skill accolades or feats, and as for her fight against Vader, he would have beaten her easily in a pure lightsaber duel were it not for her esoteric powers.
I agree with you I was refering to there force abilities not their dueling skills. Although I do believe that Kuro was skilled with a lightsaber she still held off Darth Vader himself for a time without resorting to force abilities, at least not straight the way. I think she has a chance against Mara but more because of her force abilities than her lightsaber abilities.
Originally posted by Imperial Knight
Katarn did not have help he had hindrance and you can't judge the whole fight on how Caedus blocked one strike. If Caedus was more skillfull he wouldn't have resorted to trickery, he would have just killed Katarn.
Being a "hindrance" would kind of disprove your notion of being more skilled, seeing as this was a strike team that was supposed to stall or beat him outright. Why can't you just admit that he couldn't beat him even with help, and the text confirms it instead of all of these weird mental gymnastics you're playing. A simple telekinetic attack isn't trickery either, lol. He was also injured after his duel with Luke and still fought them all off, so Katarn even had a handicap going into the fight and still failed.
Originally posted by carthage
Being a "hindrance" would kind of disprove your notion of being more skilled, seeing as this was a strike team that was supposed to stall or beat him outright. Why can't you just admit that he couldn't beat him even with help, and the text confirms it instead of all of these weird mental gymnastics you're playing. A simple telekinetic attack isn't trickery either, lol. He was also injured after his duel with Luke and still fought them all off, so Katarn even had a handicap going into the fight and still failed.
The rest of the strike team were a hindrance to Katarn they were getting in his way and in the way of each other and I think on his own Katarn has more of a chance against him than with those other Jedi getting in his way. The texts confirms nothing all it says was Caedus easily blocked one of Katarn's strikes.
Originally posted by Imperial KnightWhile ur overall point is right, the part about him not saying anything about Kyle isn't.
Also in that quote you gave where Caedus said they were no match for him, he was refering to the three knights not Katarn. (Three Jedi Knights: the younger Horn, the Falleen Mithric, the Bothan
Hu'lya. He resisted the urge to snort. Separately or collectively, these Jedi
Knights were no match for him-Fury.) He says nothing about Katarn.
Whether Katarn turned out to be much of a threat might be a different story, but he still considered him one.
Originally posted by Raptor22
While ur overall point is right, the part about him not saying anything about Kyle isn't.
In fact after he thinks the knights are no match for him, the very next sentence is-"Katarn, though, was a threat."Whether Katarn turned out to be much of a threat might be a different story, but he still considered him one.
I stand corrected, I was replying to the quote Carthage posted so I didn't see that bit. The point I was trying to make was that I think in a pure lightsaber duel without the force Kyle had a good chance of winning.
Well wouldn't it make sense that he would be more skilled after Sidious seeing as after ROTS he isn't known to wield a lightsaber. Also newer sources i,e Tarkin Sidious considers him superior to Maul/Dooku- and the company seems to be going in that direction. It shouldn't be that big of a surprise, but take it for what you will. We're not all going to agree on the direction of canon in general, and for what it's worth a lot of it flies in the fact of what we've seen in the EU.
Also if you looked at that thread, Yoda has incredibly impressive accolades at least based on what was posted by others.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=609707&pagenumber=6