Originally posted by Galan007
You talking about the race in which Makkari beat Runner by "becoming light?" (lolz)
Originally posted by darthgooberYeah, Makk's perceptions became heightened to such a level that everything around him was moving so slowly, they were like statues in comparison. This still only means he was viewing local time slower, though - Zoom naturally operates ahead of local time.
Yeah that's the one. At the end of the race wasn't something said about time being nearly stopped in comparison to them or something to that effect? It's been a bit since I read the issue so I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned.
Anyhow, I still find it ridiculous that Makk smoked Runner in their race by becoming light. (none)
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, Makk's perceptions became heightened to such a level that everything around him was moving so slowly, they were like statues in comparison. This still only means he was viewing local time slower, though - Zoom naturally operates ahead of local time.Anyhow, I still find it ridiculous that Makk smoked Runner in their race by becoming light. (none)
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33I don't care what the space gem is capable of doing under optimal conditions. Why? Because Runner [the guy using it in this thread] never did much more than teleport form A to B, with it.
You're going by what Runner didn't do with the Space Gem. Not by what the Space Gem is capable of.
Crediting a character with feats they never accomplished = Fail.
Originally posted by darthgooberCool.
Oh I agree about it being ridiculous since Runner's been able to break that barrier since his first appearance, but the end effect was the same. If Wally matched Zoom's speed by going so fast that time nearly stopped in relation to them, then there's at least SOME evidence to suggest that Runner could keep up even without the Space Gem since he's shown the ability to do the same thing. It's not the most concrete evidence mind you, but it's enough to take the notion out of the "unfounded claim" category.
But when Wally was able to match Zoom, they were "locked between the ticks of a second." Key word there is, locked. See, time didn't just slow in their battle, as it waged on time had apparently stopped.
Which makes sense. I mean how else could Zoom's speed logically be matched?
Originally posted by Galan007
Cool.But when Wally was able to match Zoom, they were "locked between the ticks of a second." Key word there is, locked. See, time didn't just slow in their battle, as it waged on time had apparently stopped.
Which makes sense. I mean how else could Zoom's speed logically be matched?
Originally posted by Galan007
As far as I'm concerned, all Runner is capable of doing with the gem, is what he actually did with it on panel [which is teleport].
Meh. Runner's still FTL. So is Zoom. They're probably comparable, one way or the other. And Runner's still far, far stronger and far, far more durable. I don't get how he puts up too much of a fight.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Please note that I have never argued in favor of Zoom - just brought up facts to dispute people saying Runner would have no difficulty here...
So you argue in favor of Zoom because Runner with the space gem only every teleported from point A to point B?Also taking into consideration you have a Zoom sig.
In fact, here's an excerpt from one of my first posts:
Originally posted by Galan007
Understand also, that I have no problem with Runner taking this - I just don't think it'd be easy based on what we saw him actually do with the gem, is all.
Originally posted by darthgooberAfter first taking on Jesse's speed, Wally said time had 'nearly' stopped [note that at this point he was still having difficulty seeing Zoom].
Wait now did time actually stop or just nearly so? I'm just asking because before you said nearly, and that's why I brought up the race.
Then after a very brief moment of adjustment, Wally says that they are standing still in time [he is now up to par with Zoom]:
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In the next page, Zoom says that Wally had finally made it into his world. They were locked between the ticks of a second:
It's pretty clear time had stopped, imo.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Because if Zoom reacts faster than Runner [which he would], he could begin a bombardment of several Supermanny face-punches, before Runner was able to move. And how many punches of that level can Runner take? We simply don't know. However, I'd be inclined to think it would do some type of damage.
I fail to see how that matters here.
But yeah that's a dead convo me and Eny had earlier. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Because if Zoom reacts faster than Runner [which he would], he could begin to bombard with several Supermanny face-punches, before Runner was able to move. And how many punches of that level can Runner take? We simply don't know. However, I'd be inclined to think it would do some type of damage.
😛 Maybe. Or maybe he'd go flying in the air several thousand feet away, and then recover where Zoom couldn't touch him (the air.)
He hits an Amazon 200 times in a second. Those clearly weren't Superman-level blows. Presumably the more powerful the punch, the farther he's going to go flying. Conservation of momentum, and all.
