I'm more of a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek, but can someone explain the difference between a photon, quantum and a proton torpedo? What's the difference between metaphasic shields and SW shields? Phasers and turbolaser - differences? Warp Drive, which is faster than light travel and don't forget transwarp. Star Trek ships can fire torpedoes during faster than light travel. ST and SW cloaking devices? Someone help me out with the science cause I majored in history.
Someone made a mention about ST ships about being not as manevarable and only able to handle TIE fighters. Does anyone remember the USS Defiant? The Defiant was designed to fight the Borg. Everyone focuses on the Enterprise-E which irritates me because nobody pays attention to the class of ship and it's capablities. The Federation towards the end of the Dominion War were building warships: namingly the Akira and Defiant classes. The Enterprise - E which was a Sovereign class vessel was a hybrid - a warship/exploration and could take a beating due to it's armor and shields.
But don't forget the Romulan Scimitar
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
I'm more of a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek, but can someone explain the difference between a photon, quantum and a proton torpedo? What's the difference between metaphasic shields and SW shields? Phasers and turbolaser - differences? Warp Drive, which is faster than light travel and don't forget transwarp. Star Trek ships can fire torpedoes during faster than light travel. ST and SW cloaking devices? Someone help me out with the science cause I majored in history.
I'll answer tomorrow. Here's hoping for a deferred double post!
Originally posted by Cpt. ValerianThe Star Trek universe has Q. Q could solo the whole Star Wars universe. If its just a military battle, then yeah Star Wars wins. Star Wars will have some casualties
The Star Wars Universe would completely own the Star Trek Universe. I base this opinion on absolutely nothing since I know shit about Star Trek.However, most of the intelligent people in here seem to agree with my baseless opinion, so.
and the douwd...a single douwd destroyed 50 billion husnock (the entire species) with a single thought.
if you're doing it in military terms then you have to actually watch the movies to see how powerful the empire is...or isn't as is actually the case....when the millenium falcon comes out of hyperspace and into the debri field left of alderaan there is a discussion between him and obi-wan when obi-wan says that the empire destroyed it...han says "that's impossible...it would take a thousand star destroyers"
implying that the empire don't have a thousand star destroyers
between the borg, the dominion, species 8472, the cardassians, the federation, the klingon empire, the romulan star empire, the breen and many other extremely powerful races each bringing between hundreds and hundreds of thousands of ships of massively varying technologies
if you want to go by size as an indication of a vessels power
star destroyer 1600m L...1100m W
enterprise D (next gen) 642.5m L...467m W
borg cube...3000m in all dimensions
reman schimitar 890m L...1350m W
in terms of the largest pieces of technology built by in either universe
starwars: death star...size of a small moon
startrek: dyson's sphere...completely encirles an entire star at a large enough distance the people can live in the inside of the sphere.
starwars: eye of palpatine...19000m
Lol the Republic would stomp anything from the star trek universe. If they invaded during the clone wars it would be a rape stomp. Lets not even begin to talk about supernatural beings. What will Q do when Lord Nihilus rips the life force from his body...nothing accept die a horrible death. The Borg may adapt, but the Star Wars weapons have multiple settings, the Star Wars people will annihilate them, the largest government consists of a quadrant of the galaxy, when Voyager was stranded, it would have taken YEARS to get back from half way across the Galaxy. Star Wars ships travel across the Galaxy in a matter of hours, may be a couple of days tops. The Star Wars would stomp the borg into oblivion
Originally posted by jaden101Have you even seen the movie? Han says "...half the starfleet with more fire power than I've--", not "1000 Star Destroyers." And we're taking into account all EU as well, not just the movies.if you're doing it in military terms then you have to actually watch the movies to see how powerful the empire is...or isn't as is actually the case....when the millenium falcon comes out of hyperspace and into the debri field left of alderaan there is a discussion between him and obi-wan when obi-wan says that the empire destroyed it...han says "that's impossible...it would take a thousand star destroyers"
And Mizukage, until we have some clear and definitive statistics and references for Nihilus and his abiltities, stop Deus ex Machina-ing him.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yodayes the republic would stomp anybody in trek short of the borg or species 8472. Now Nihilus stands no chance against the Q. Q is a god-like character who has basically limitless power. Let me guess your one of those retards from SD.net that has Han Solo and Chewbecca beating the Q. Or Vader beating Superman
Lol the Republic would stomp anything from the star trek universe. If they invaded during the clone wars it would be a rape stomp. Lets not even begin to talk about supernatural beings. What will Q do when Lord Nihilus rips the life force from his body...nothing accept die a horrible death. The Borg may adapt, but the Star Wars weapons have multiple settings, the Star Wars people will annihilate them, the largest government consists of a quadrant of the galaxy, when Voyager was stranded, it would have taken YEARS to get back from half way across the Galaxy. Star Wars ships travel across the Galaxy in a matter of hours, may be a couple of days tops. The Star Wars would stomp the borg into oblivion
Originally posted by jaden101
implying that the empire don't have a thousand star destroyers
between the borg, the dominion, species 8472, the cardassians, the federation, the klingon empire, the romulan star empire, the breen and many other extremely powerful races each bringing between hundreds and hundreds of thousands of ships of massively varying technologies
starwars: eye of palpatine...19000m
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
[B] What will Q do when Lord Nihilus rips the life force from his body...nothing accept die a horrible death. [B]
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
I'm more of a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek, but can someone explain the difference between a photon, quantum and a proton torpedo?
In Universe:
-Photon/Quantum torpedo: Federation Tech. Photon Torpedoes are essentially matter/antimatter explosions. The entry for Quantum torpedoes in the ST wiki was essentially a long string of pseudoscientific technobabble. The gist of it was that they pulled energy from a different (higher? probably something to do with string theory) dimension through a zero energy field which makes an explosion for some reason. Presumably it is a bigger explosion than the Photon torpedoes.
-Proton Torpedo: Empire (or at least SW) tech. Proton torpedoes look like they use some sort of fusion or fission reaction like contemporary nuclear weapons. The yield is likely to be much, much higher than weapons today though.
Analysis: All three are pretty much unknowns, although SD.net seems to suggest that Proton torpedoes are superior (though not by much). The disparity in missile ordinance (for either side- remember that we don't know which is truly superior) will most likely not make much of a difference in a confrontation.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
What's the difference between metaphasic shields and SW shields?
As far as relative power, I am convinced that SW has the advantage in this category. Turbolasers > Phasers, at least when comparing the amount of energy present/delivered to the target. ST shields are able to take only a few minutes of phaser bombardment. Turbolasers are more powerful than the phasers they correspond to, so the Fed's shields will be destroyed even faster than normal. Defensive edge & firepower edge both go to the Empire.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Phasers and turbolaser - differences?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Warp Drive, which is faster than light travel and don't forget transwarp.
Advantage: Star Wars
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Star Trek ships can fire torpedoes during faster than light travel.
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
ST and SW cloaking devices?
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Someone help me out with the science cause I majored in history.
The easy out is that it isn't science, but rather pseudo science. Put simply, none of the prefixes affixed to ordinary materials, misunderstood quantum mechanics, or even misapplied terminology (parsec? anyone?) can be truly explained: ST and SW both use barely understood concepts to achieve impossible feats (zero point energy? 11th dimensional space? Warp/hyper drive? none of these are truly based in scientific facts).
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Lol the Republic would stomp anything from the star trek universe. If they invaded during the clone wars it would be a rape stomp. Lets not even begin to talk about supernatural beings. What will Q do when Lord Nihilus rips the life force from his body...nothing accept die a horrible death. The Borg may adapt, but the Star Wars weapons have multiple settings, the Star Wars people will annihilate them, the largest government consists of a quadrant of the galaxy, when Voyager was stranded, it would have taken YEARS to get back from half way across the Galaxy. Star Wars ships travel across the Galaxy in a matter of hours, may be a couple of days tops. The Star Wars would stomp the borg into oblivion
you are blinded by your fanboyism boy
Have you even seen the movie? Han says "...half the starfleet with more fire power than I've--", not "1000 Star Destroyers." And we're taking into account all EU as well, not just the movies.
actual quote from the film
The entire starfleet couldn't destroy the whole planet. It'd take a thousand ships with more fire power than I've...
thus stating that they don't even have a 1000 ships.
so shut it
Centerpoint station(350,000 m )> Eye of Palpatine (190,000m,exact number isn't given.) in size.
dyson's sphere...if the star in it was the same size as the earth and and the sphere was the same distance as the earth is from the star then it'd be somewhere in the region of about 300,000,000,000,000m
then there's in technology and weapons such as the thaelaron radiation weapon of the reman schimitar...the omega particle, the Q guns which caused supernova yet were hand held weapons.
apart from that last point i would say that if it went down to land battles then the starwars universe would have it...they have a far more diverse array of weapons and mounted guns than in star trek...although how quickly the borg would adapt remains to be seen
i wonder if the borg shielding could adapt to lightsabres as well?...perhaps all sabres resonate at different frequencies due to the crystal and individual manufacture by each Jedi?
in general though, the empire star destroyers are all the same (standard ones anyway) so if the borg assimilated one they could adapt to fight all instantly.
Originally posted by Red Nemesiswarp drive is far faster then 14 times the speed of light. For example warp 9.99 the top speed of a Sovergein class starship is 7,912 times the speed of light. Hyperdrive is much faster with speeds measured in the millions of times c.Out of Universe:
Similarities: All use scientific terms (incorrectly I might add) to explain some sort of explosion.
Differences: They probably give different yields (explosive power).In Universe:
-Photon/Quantum torpedo: Federation Tech. Photon Torpedoes are essentially matter/antimatter explosions. The entry for Quantum torpedoes in the ST wiki was essentially a long string of pseudoscientific technobabble. The gist of it was that they pulled energy from a different (higher? probably something to do with string theory) dimension through a zero energy field which makes an explosion for some reason. Presumably it is a bigger explosion than the Photon torpedoes.
-Proton Torpedo: Empire (or at least SW) tech. Proton torpedoes look like they use some sort of fusion or fission reaction like contemporary nuclear weapons. The yield is likely to be much, much higher than weapons today though.Analysis: All three are pretty much unknowns, although SD.net seems to suggest that Proton torpedoes are superior (though not by much). The disparity in missile ordinance (for either side- remember that we don't know which is truly superior) will most likely not make much of a difference in a confrontation.
The mechanics of deflector shields are not specified on the ST wiki, nor are SW shields specified in wookeepedia. The gist of each is that they block matter or high energy beams (lasers) from entering the area that they protect. This is important both in and out of combat. Besides the obvious advantage of protection in combat, shields also allow navigation high speeds in space: without shields even a micrometeor could be disastrous at high velocities.
As far as relative power, I am convinced that SW has the advantage in this category. Turbolasers > Phasers, at least when comparing the amount of energy present/delivered to the target. ST shields are able to take only a few minutes of phaser bombardment. Turbolasers are more powerful than the phasers they correspond to, so the Fed's shields will be destroyed even faster than normal. Defensive edge & firepower edge both go to the Empire.
Turbolaser: spinning bolt of gas/plasma fired at very high speeds- the energy is transferred directly to object.
Phaser: beam of photon-like particles [called nadions] that set up a chain reaction in the target that causes damage. The only available suggest that turbolasers are superior.I'm not sure about transwarp (which is something like Warp^3) but normal warp drive creates a "warp bubble" to separate the ship from the "normal universe" that excludes it from the laws of relativity. It is a very slow means of travel: The maximum velocity recorded (that I'm aware of) is ~Warp 14, or 14 times the speed of light. (c). Hyperdrive is a much more effective method: it actually enters a separate dimension (maybe?) and does the traveling in a region where movement seems much less dependant upon Einstienian laws. Hyperdrive allows travel at up to 1 million times the speed of light- permitting travel across the galaxy in days or hours, instead of the years and decades it would take for conventional warp technology.
Advantage: Star Wars
Warp straffing is only rarely used, indicating that it must have some drawbacks. I'll have to look into this more. As it is: Advantage- Star Trek
Again, I'd have to look for an example of a corresponding tech in SW. Advantage: Trek, with reservations. Remember that Trek Ships can't fire while cloaked. That severely limits their effectiveness in combat.
The easy out is that it isn't science, but rather pseudo science. Put simply, none of the prefixes affixed to ordinary materials, misunderstood quantum mechanics, or even misapplied terminology (parsec? anyone?) can be truly explained: ST and SW both use barely understood concepts to achieve impossible feats (zero point energy? 11th dimensional space? Warp/hyper drive? none of these are truly based in scientific facts). [/B]