Greek riots, and more.

This has been in the news this week, some 15 year old lad was shot and killed by the cops in Greece which has fueled a week of rioting, the rioting spread to other countries.

This cannot be just because of one incident, sad as it may be.
The Anarchists seem to have used this as spark to light a dangerous fire.

Does it reflect a general unrest amongst the majority of people or a temporary thing?

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apparently "anarchists" are organizing international attacks on Greek embasies in Copenhagen and Moscow.

An editorial I was reading says it is the beginning of many such riots as poor economic times hit areas with large youth populations. If this is correct, this may in fact be more of what was going on in the French riots a few years back.

So why's it causing such a big stink? Pigs here kill people all the time and nobody cares.

Good for Athens.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So why's it causing such a big stink? Pigs here kill people all the time and nobody cares.

speculation is that the lack of jobs for even well educated young people in Greece is the major grevience motivating the riots, the shooting just being the tipping point.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So why's it causing such a big stink? Pigs here kill people all the time and nobody cares.

From what I understand, it's immigrant problems. Greece has a history of treating other ethnic groups badly, and this was the rallying point for the emigrant communities to take out their frustration.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Because it's Europe...and Europe happens to not be stuck in a Stone Age Mentality.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Are you sure it doesn't have something to do with the rarely talked about crappy race relations in various European countries? You know, how Americans get on out and talk about our problems but Europeans seem to like to just sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist?

Are you comparing one country's international relations to a continent of many countries and their international relations?

You've obviously got no idea what Europe is like if you think cross-country tensions are just swept under the rug...

I also think considering our millennia of history of wars, empires, religious fractures and political divides along with the very unique cultures you find from country to country we as a continent do very well in getting along exceptionally well...

Compare that with your own nations few centuries of conquest and relatively uneventful history...

Yeah Europe is a far more harmonious continent than than the USA is a country...

Though I guess America is a product of Europe anyway...

I was responding to someone who compared the mentality of a continent of many countries to the mentality of one country. Nice to see you only tried to call the American on it, and not the European.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I was responding to someone who compared the mentality of a continent of many countries to the mentality of one country. Nice to see you only tried to call the American on it, and not the European.

Does that not demonstrate to you the unity of Europeans and make your point about "racial tensions" pretty invalid?

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Aren't you both white? And in the UK? And isn't the study of just two people a pretty shitty way to make an analysis? Making your logic... retarded?

This is the reason I rarely post.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
From what I understand, it's immigrant problems. Greece has a history of treating other ethnic groups badly, and this was the rallying point for the emigrant communities to take out their frustration.

I don't think Greece has many blacks or Hispanics, so who are those cops harassing for kicks?

It makes me wonder how to say "Freeze, beaner!" in Greek...

Originally posted by Kinneary
Aren't you both white? And in the UK? And isn't the study of just two people a pretty shitty way to make an analysis? Making your logic... retarded?

This is the reason I rarely post.

He's German, lives in England now and then...i think.

I'm Scottish.

We don't have race problems in Europe really...its more religious conflict.

Also, the USA discusses these problems and we sweep them under the carpet?

By that you mean you confine black people to the lowest rungs of society and shoot any that cause too much trouble?

I dunno, maybe your were making a good point about the Balkans but...that hardly extends to all of Europe does it?

Also, rather than characterising people just by skin colour, "races" are split along more fine lines...which results in lots and lots of races of people of the same colour...i.e. Serbs, Slavs, Romani, Celts, Germans etc etc...(all based in the old tribal system...however they dont really exist much any more)

So essentially our "racial" problems as you call them are actually tribal...like Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda.

My statement was more an attack on the person that criticized the USA unfairly, and wasn't a real attempt at analyzing the race relations of Europe. It was a broad generalization that doesn't hold weight under real scrutiny, much the same as I feel his statement was.

By no means do I want to start a real argument about the issue - I just take offense to the generally negative view of Americans (not just our government) that, in my past decade on the internet, far too many Europeans seem to have.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav

Also, rather than characterising people just by skin colour, "races" are split along more fine lines...which results in lots and lots of races of people of the same colour...i.e. Serbs, Slavs, Romani, Celts, Germans etc etc...(all based in the old tribal system...however they dont really exist much any more)

So essentially our "racial" problems as you call them are actually tribal...like Hutu and Tutsi of Rwanda.

Why is that? They look a like and still can't get along?

White American gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and N.O. F.E.A.R. will take white people period. They don't care what language your grandparents spoke, which I think makes more sense. I mean if you have white skin what else matters (to them).

Trying to understand a racist never makes sense. Why should an American of German descent hate an American of Irish descent? Why should a black man hate a white man? The logic never works. We just have to wait for the racists to, eventually, die out.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is that? They look a like and still can't get along?

White American gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and N.O. F.E.A.R. will take white people period. They don't care what language your grandparents spoke, which I think makes more sense. I mean if you have white skin what else matters (to them).

That's very humorous "they don't look any different, for what reason could the possibly fall out!?" However, it does kinda reflect badly on the American thought...judging books by the cover not the content.

In Europe most of the conflict is based on intellectual differences- religion, political affiliations, national identities- rather than simply the way someone looks...although ofcourse where someone was born and the colour of their skin is still a divide all though, i believe less so in Europe than in the States.

To that end, I would say the version of racism I was talking about makes more sense than the one you feel makes more sense.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I don't think Greece has many blacks or Hispanics, so who are those cops harassing for kicks?

It makes me wonder how to say "Freeze, beaner!" in Greek...

You need to maybe grow up a bit...you know...get passed the skin colour thing- once you do you'll see there is even more important stuff that divides us than if we are black or white...

I'm sorry, but if I understand this correctly, you're trying to say that European racists are more intellectual than American racists?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I don't think Greece has many blacks or Hispanics, so who are those cops harassing for kicks?

It makes me wonder how to say "Freeze, beaner!" in Greek...

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is that? They look a like and still can't get along?

White American gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood and N.O. F.E.A.R. will take white people period. They don't care what language your grandparents spoke, which I think makes more sense. I mean if you have white skin what else matters (to them). [/B][/QUOTE]

Haven't you ever read a history book, or observed foreign culture before? Maybe in the US the black/hispanic racial problems might be more prevalent, but they aren't the only ones being prejudiced around the world.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is that? They look a like and still can't get along?

Ok, why can't all these black gangs in LA get along, they all look alike.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I'm sorry, but if I understand this correctly, you're trying to say that European racists are more intellectual than American racists?

They probably have better reasons for it.