Greek riots, and more.

You know, I am not the world's biggest fan of the police, but I do respect that they lay their life in the line every day. People call them pigs, call them corrupt, or whatever. But they are judging all cops on the actions of a few.

What if I judged all blacks on the actions of a few? Or all hispanics on the actions of a few? What then? ****ing spics? ****ing *******? Would I be justified if I resorted to such mundane name calling?

The actions of a few have cops wired 24/7. These are officers with families, and they never know what a suspect is gonna do when confronted. Cops make a mistake, someone is dead, now cops are all bad. But a black guy kills a cop, and not all black people are bad. Fair? Equal? I think not.

Is there ever a good reason to judge someone by his skin color or loose political/racial affiliation?

Are we really willing to fall so far as to argue that our racists are better or worse than the others?

Originally posted by Kinneary
Is there ever a [b]good reason to judge someone by his skin color or loose political/racial affiliation?

Are we really willing to fall so far as to argue that our racists are better or worse than the others? [/B]

It's not all 'you're black, I hate you' or anything like that. European history goes back further than American history, not to mention the many countries within Europe that have feuds, the feuds might start over something like land ownership and eventually spread to 'I hate you, you're Turkish' or something etc.

American racism by comparison....should really have been stamped out by now. Black people were freed from being slaves, given civil rights, finally have a President, and yet there is still racial fighting. Why?

I wouldn't say racial fighting. In fact, the recent election of a black president pretty much solidifies the fact that racist thoughts are something only held by an extreme minority.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I wouldn't say racial fighting. In fact, the recent election of a black president pretty much solidifies the fact that racist thoughts are something only held by an extreme minority.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I wouldn't say racial fighting. In fact, the recent election of a black president pretty much solidifies the fact that racist thoughts are something only held by an extreme minority.

I dont think thats a fair comparison though, US has what, 300,000,000 population?
Of that, what was the percentage that
a) voted
b) voted for Obama and
c) voted against Obama just out of spite that he is black?

Plus all the hate-speeches, protests etc that have been happening since he won. IMO I couldn't care who is voted, black, white, asian, hispanic. I think its ridiculous that everyone is holding their hands up saying 'yay a black president' instead of 'yay a good leader'. It would take probably another 3 or so black presidents before the US could be considered at a racial equilibrium, to show that Obama's election was not just for show. I think electing one black man out of ~50 white men to lead the country is not something to celebrate as a racial achievement.

But that's me.

I never said that racial tension doesn't exist. I just said that it is an opinion held by an extreme minority. If there were really a ton of racists walking around the US, Obama would never have been voted in.

Originally posted by Kinneary
I never said that racial tension doesn't exist. I just said that it is an opinion held by an extreme minority. If there were really a ton of racists walking around the US, Obama would never have been voted in.

"opinion held by an extreme minority" - that's just the part I'm arguing.

Going by wikipedia:

Popular vote Obama 69,445,367 McCain 59,923,677

More than half the country didn't even vote. Maybe there are racists that just didn't vote.

Anyway it's going slightly off tangent, but to summarise earlier posts, Europe probably has better reasons for racial differences given there are many countries with many governments, economies, cultures, history etc. America is one country with one government, economy, history etc everyone shares it, everyone has equal rights now, so I don't think America has such a valid argument for current racism.

No one has a valid argument for racism.

Well, I think the Armenians have a pretty strong point against the Turks, for example. [edit] Although from a country-country perspective, not person-person.

Originally posted by MIŠT
I don't think America has such a valid argument for current racism.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Do you think someone does?

No, this is just going circular, it's tying with the points earlier:

Originally posted by Kinneary
I'm sorry, but if I understand this correctly, you're trying to say that European racists are more intellectual than American racists?

Originally posted by MIŠT
They probably have better reasons for it.

[edit] I will just wait for Gav, he probably has a better knowledge and can word it properly.

If you think it's circular, you're right. No one has a valid reason for hating someone because of their ethnic origin or skin tone. In the end, it's all just stereotyping, and stereotyping is wrong. All whites don't hate blacks and all muslims don't want to kill Americans.

There is no justification for saying that one racist is smarter or better than another - because racism itself is idiotic. You can't justify it.

I'm not trying to justify it or anything, just so we're on even grounds here.

But there are 'better' reasons to feel racist against someone. Let's say Romania invades Bulgaria and slaughters thousands of people. The Bulgarians will have pretty strong racial feelings towards Romanians. I think that is a 'better' reason for racial hatred than a black kid hating a white kid because his distant relative who died decades before he was even born was a slave some hundred years ago.

You can say that that is a more "logical" or "understandable" reason, but I'd disagree with it being better, though I suppose that's just splitting hair.

Originally posted by MIŠT
I'm not trying to justify it or anything, just so we're on even grounds here.

But there are 'better' reasons to feel racist against someone. Let's say Romania invades Bulgaria and slaughters thousands of people. The Bulgarians will have pretty strong racial feelings towards Romanians. I think that is a 'better' reason for racial hatred than a black kid hating a white kid because his distant relative who died decades before he was even born was a slave some hundred years ago.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You can say that that is a more "logical" or "understandable" reason, but I'd disagree with it being better, though I suppose that's just splitting hair.

Hence why I used apostrophes; 'better'.

Originally posted by Kinneary
So the 30 year old moron who thinks that 3 times 3 is 6 is better than the 30 year old moron who thinks that 4 plus four 4 sixteen? Blind hatred is blind hatred. And, get this - they're both ****ing blind.

Yeah, I think pretty much everyone agrees racism is racism, its bad etc. We can move on from there now.

To quote Gav:

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav

To that end, I would say the version of racism I was talking about makes more sense than the one you feel makes more sense.

Originally posted by MIŠT
Hence why I used apostrophes; 'better'.

This coming from numero uno racist agent of Chaos himself. Don't try to back peddle now, traitor.

I don't think that EITHER makes sense.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
This coming from numero uno racist agent of Chaos himself. Don't try to back peddle now, traitor.

It's all about power, bitch mhm

Originally posted by Kinneary
I don't think that EITHER makes sense.

Nah, it's a bit like algebra, pretending it makes sense so you can come up with an answer. Or something.

I think this went off topic by the way, not sure what the Greek riots have to do with racism actually.