Originally posted by Bardock42
There's a difference between dying to fight for your freedom and being killed because someone else decided you should be "free".
It is hard to hate on Bush then for trying to free people are being oppressed and murdered. And it is a war, there are Iraqis that want to live in a Democracy and not fear their familys being killed because they voted the wrong way. Unfortunetly people are going to die during the war, but they will and other generations will have better lives.
And you act as if they would choose oppression over freedom..what do you base that on?
Originally posted by KidRockI don't act like that at all. I don't presume to know what any Iraqui (out of the ones you left alive) would choose, I am just stating that I can understand why some of them might be quite pissed at Bush and the US.
It is hard to hate on Bush then for trying to free people are being oppressed and murdered. And it is a war, there are Iraqis that want to live in a Democracy and not fear their familys being killed because they voted the wrong way. Unfortunetly people are going to die during the war, but they will and other generations will have better lives.And you act as if they would choose oppression over freedom..what do you base that on?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I understand that and as an aside I'm not pro-bush just in case, but even if the dude threw an unsoaked dish sponge at bush, just even once, what does that say about how serious the office of the president of the u.s. is taken, to the world?So this was more than just about a shoe.
The secret service should've shot that guy 172 times in 2 seconds right while he was yelling and getting ready to launch that first shoe, on live tv as a counter show of force or demonstartion that'd at the same time ask anyone else to dare try something like that again.
Its more of a sign less about the office of the USA, but of hatred from Bush and his adminstration having bombed the shit out of their families in an illegal (or at least justified under false pretenses war..)
Sorry, but that last paragraph is totally ridiculous.
JC DeMenezes would've agreed with me also, I feel.
Besides, if it was in the States, it might be a bit different, but in your neighbours house, its your neighbour's rules, you know...?
(Especially if you've recently invaded that neighbour's house and set those rules up yourself...)
you can all have a go at throwing shoes at Bush.
Originally posted by KidRock
Aw, so bitter.I know you hate the fact that other people now have the freedom to vote for a representative of their country and not have to worry about getting gassed by them.
You're just crying in your pillow wishing we lost the war and withdrew so that Saddam can murder and torture more people just so you can say "Ha ha stupid republicans!"
you hit the nail right on the head
I wish I had the freedom to live in a country that has been torn apart by war
That we could all be as free as the Somalis
Originally posted by KidRock
Aw, so bitter.I know you hate the fact that other people now have the freedom to vote for a representative of their country and not have to worry about getting gassed by them.
You're just crying in your pillow wishing we lost the war and withdrew so that Saddam can murder and torture more people just so you can say "Ha ha stupid republicans!"
Do you really believe everybody's walking on sunshine in Iraq?
i gotta tell Iraq sucks... they give us military ppl a crash course book of the culture of the country.. and most ppl look at it and realize that you cant make a difference with a tribal society..and on a military stand point all it does is create a power vacuum.. these are 18, 19 yr PFC's who realize this, and college educated political people are sending us in saying it will work..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i gotta tell Iraq sucks... they give us military ppl a crash course book of the culture of the country.. and most ppl look at it and realize that you cant make a difference with a tribal society..and on a military stand point all it does is create a power vacuum.. these are 18, 19 yr PFC's who realize this, and college educated political people are sending us in saying it will work..
Kudos to you for being able to actually carry it out and go to another country despite not fully agreeing with all the decisions that are being made.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i gotta tell Iraq sucks... they give us military ppl a crash course book of the culture of the country.. and most ppl look at it and realize that you cant make a difference with a tribal society..and on a military stand point all it does is create a power vacuum.. these are 18, 19 yr PFC's who realize this, and college educated political people are sending us in saying it will work..
Why do Iraqi people suck, again? I don't follow.