Superman vs Rulk Fist to Fist

Originally posted by carver9
This doesnt have anything to do with me liking superman or not. Gladiator has flown across the solar system at 100 times the speed of light but I also think that hulk could land a series of punches. Wonder woman has deflected bullets but I think that hulk could over whelm her also. Mimic has flown 93000 miles per second and out raced quicksilver but I also think that hulk would crush him. The people that I have named dont use there speed like the flash for example.

I know superman is powerful, hell of powerful and I get shocked by everything that he does but just because I dont think that he can beat everyone dont make me hate the character. I own every one of his movies and turned my head on superman return when lex stabbed him.

The comment on the black hole incident is that superman was getting sucked into it and he almost died. Its a great feat but again its more on his durability then anything.

The mag feat, if you put up the scan you'll see humans pulling the chains also and I would love for you to prove that it was humanoids. Again its a nice feat but not as nice as you want it to be.

Didn't he survive a double black hole easily?

Originally posted by carver9
but just because I dont think that he can beat everyone dont make me hate the character. I own every one of his movies and turned my head on superman return when lex stabbed him.

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Originally posted by Raoul
that's sort of the point. superman can take a punch from almost anyone and still be fine. flash can't.

But that argument is kind of pointless since flash can take punches from his entire rogue but still doesnt get touched.

I disagree with superman being able to take punches from anyone. Superman got one shotted by despero on there 1st encounter and during the second time they fought he still was getting mauled even though he knew in his mind that despero had enough strength to one shot him.

Konvikt one shotted him and he knew that konvikt had enough strength to knock him out again but yet konvikt was still tagging him. Superman know how strong general zod is and he should try to avoid as many punches from zod as he can but he ended up getting his jaw broke.

I agree, superman can take a punch but from some people he should try to avoid being hit at all cost, especially against someone like doomsday who hasnt shown a speed feat since his 1st appearance.

Originally posted by carver9
I own every one of his movies and turned my head on superman return when lex stabbed him.

Originally posted by Philosophía
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Originally posted by carver9
But that argument is kind of pointless since flash can take punches from his entire rogue but still doesnt get touched.

I disagree with superman being able to take punches from anyone. Superman got one shotted by despero on there 1st encounter and during the second time they fought he still was getting mauled even though he knew in his mind that despero had enough strength to one shot him.

Konvikt one shotted him and he knew that konvikt had enough strength to knock him out again but yet konvikt was still tagging him. Superman know how strong general zod is and he should try to avoid as many punches from zod as he can but he ended up getting his jaw broke.

I agree, superman can take a punch but from some people he should try to avoid being hit at all cost, especially against someone like doomsday who hasnt shown a speed feat since his 1st appearance.

you just flat out lied and twisted on panel feats to suit your argument. and when i say twisted, i mean really twisted.

you want to lowball superman? be my guest, but don't expect people to buy what you're selling.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I just re read the whole damn mageddon arc there are ZERO HUMANS there are humanoid looking constructs that took shots from superhumans and again THEY NEVER TOUCHED THE FREAKING CHAINS OR THE GEARS THEY WERE NEVER SHOWN DOING ANYTHING LIKE WHAT SUPERMAN WAS DOING,and no superman was not getting pulled in...jesus your lack of knowledge about a character you supposedly know about is horendous,the black hole was getting released it was going to consume the whole star system superman grabs it his hand strength is keeping it contained the end he never got sucked in he never almost died he struggled and that was a superman a lot weaker then current superman.

Im not going to debate about the black hole feat again because I honestly think that me and you are talking about to different times.

I want to ask this though, how can a guy that needed wonder woman and martian manhunter to aid him at moving the earth and the moon pull something that has the weight of a galaxy/solar system. How can a guy that needed the aid of the gls to move a pyramid move a galaxy/solar system. 😕

Originally posted by Raoul
you just flat out lied and twisted on panel feats to suit your argument. and when i say twisted, i mean really twisted.

you want to lowball superman? be my guest, but don't expect people to buy what you're selling.

What did I lie about?

Originally posted by carver9
What did I lie about?

seriously?

Originally posted by carver9
Im not going to debate about the black hole feat again because I honestly think that me and you are talking about to different times.

I want to ask this though, how can a guy that needed wonder woman and martian manhunter to aid him at moving the earth and the moon pull something that has the weight of a galaxy/solar system. How can a guy that needed the aid of the gls to move a pyramid move a galaxy/solar system. 😕

Easy, its the oldest answer in the book. Because he's Superman.

Originally posted by Raoul
seriously?

Raoul, I know I give you a hard time but I seriously want to know what I lied about.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Easy, its the oldest answer in the book. Because he's Superman.

But that doesnt make sense though. I know you can give me a better answer then that.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Didn't he survive a double black hole easily?

and what does that have to do with strength? If I had super strength but human durability can I survive a black hole?

Originally posted by carver9
Im not going to debate about the black hole feat again because I honestly think that me and you are talking about to different times.

I want to ask this though, how can a guy that needed wonder woman and martian manhunter to aid him at moving the earth and the moon pull something that has the weight of a galaxy/solar system. How can a guy that needed the aid of the gls to move a pyramid move a galaxy/solar system. 😕

Originally posted by carver9
Raoul, I know I give you a hard time but I seriously want to know what I lied about.

konvict one shotting him. being knocked down is not knocked out. and why shouldn't konvict knock him down? he did the same to the rest of the league, including the flash and wonder woman...

mageddon, the black hole etc etc...

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Theres only one blackhole holding feat I know of so I doubt it..that earth moving incident was back in 98ish...superman was still rather weak around then and it takes a lot more effort to move a planet then to crack one theres also the fact that superman generally gets toned down in jla books so other people don't get outshined...superman picked up the pyramid just fine the gls just helped him move it across space again they don't like superman shining too much in a jla book,its not negating the fact that superman clearly can move a planet,clearly can crack a planet has had upgrades over the years and recently besides being knocked out was utterly fine from a supernova,current superman is a different beast then superman from 10 years ago.

Got a question for you, didnt the mag feat happen in a jla book, didnt the holding a black hole feat happen in a jla book. With that said you cant discredit one and accept the other.

I agree though, superman has been upgraded along with others but you cant say someone is a planet buster or planet pusher unless they have the feats to prove it. Someone like prime has those feats to his credit but he is a much stronger version of superman.

Originally posted by Raoul
konvict one shotting him. being knocked down is not knocked out. and why shouldn't konvict knock him down? he did the same to the rest of the league, including the flash and wonder woman...

mageddon, the black hole etc etc...

Superman eyes was closed when konvikt punched him so its considered a knockout, no matter how fast superman recovered but I guess we see it different so I'm not going to argue about that because you could be right.

I also agree that he did do that to the rest of the league but theres no proof that konvikt is superior to hulk or even red hulk in any fashion. If anything hulk>>konvikt if we go by feats.

What did I lie about with the mag feat, one dumb pointed what I said out months ago, I just didnt see it when I read the book years ago.

Again, what did I lie about with the black hole feat. I'm not trying to make you all mad but if I make mistakes I would like for you all to correct me. I dont mind being shown my errors.

Originally posted by Raoul
konvict one shotting him. being knocked down is not knocked out. and why shouldn't konvict knock him down? he did the same to the rest of the league, including the flash and wonder woman...

mageddon, the black hole etc etc...

Yeah he took the Konvikt punch and was up a panel later. Not to mention that that was the only punch Konvikt landed and that was because Supes let him land it.

So where is Carver getting the idea that Konvikt landed repeatedly? Superman man-handled him the rest of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman eyes was closed when konvikt punched him so its considered a knockout

because his eyes were closed he was knocked out? seriously?

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah he took the Konvikt punch and was up a panel later. Not to mention that that was the only punch Konvikt landed and that was because Supes let him land it.

So where is Carver getting the idea that Konvikt landed repeatedly? Superman man-handled him the rest of the fight.

he did indeed.

Originally posted by Raoul
because his eyes were closed he was knocked out? seriously?

he did indeed.

What is a knock out to you and yes I agree, I just reread the book and konvikt didnt land not another punch but I dont think superman LET konvikt punch him, especially since superman could have easily looked around and seen the kind of threat konvikt was since kovikt did take out the entire jla. 😕

I never heard of a 1 second KO.

Originally posted by carver9
What is a knock out to you and yes I agree, I just reread the book and konvikt didnt land not another punch but I dont think superman LET konvikt punch him, especially since superman could have easily looked around and seen the kind of threat konvikt was since kovikt did take out the entire jla. 😕

Superman let him hit him. He told Konvikt to throw his best shot, that he wanted to know how powerful he was.