Biggest blunders & missed opportunities in Comic History?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah i thought it was a little harsh as well. Especially coming from someone with this many posts

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Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Mate i've heard a lot of people moan about it. Its Just a very boring storyline. I mean people complain about how bad crossovers such as secret Invasion and Civil War, but Zero hour is on a whole new level of mediocrity. Whatever happened to Dan Jurgens ? He was once a quite good writer ?

There was so much on stake in Zero Hour, and the villains were some of my favourites. Guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. Secret Invasion had like, nothing at stake nor did it have a great build up. Zero Hour was epic compared to it, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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There was so much on stake in Zero Hour, and the villains were some of my favourites. Guess it comes down to a matter of opinion. Secret Invasion had like, nothing at stake nor did it have a great build up. Zero Hour was epic compared to it, in my opinion.

Epic, but poor characterisation, poor dialogue and nothing more than your cliched ; Uber cosmic character threatens to destroy universe single handily, and then stopped by poorly thought out plot device. Also most of the comic amounted to nothing more than events in history disappearing, and redundant weaker characters standing around basically making appearances for the sake of it ( atheme prominent through out the 90's). Its basically a poor, poor version of COIE. Also wasn't there an incident where they use energy beams to support a city or something ? Its only redeeming feature was when the Spectre goes nuts with Hal, something i wish we saw more of nowadays. You know the shits hit the fan, when the Spectre shows up to kick your ass.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Yes, u definitely seem to need a date. 😉

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
On the whole I agree, except for the following examples above.

Originally posted by I-Drop
You still think the whole "kid sidekick" thing is cool?

Depending on the context. I wouldn't have it in the movies, but it certainly worked in the Dark Knight Returns, and Robins have had their pivotal roles to play in numerous of my favourite comics. Identity Crisis, and For the Man who had everything spring to Mind.

There are loads of comic concepts that i don't think are great but, they have been used to work really well. The G.L. rings are a prime example. I mean they are basically 'magic' rings, a fictional concept that is unbelivably lame. However I wouldn't want D.C. to 'uncreate' them.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
But there are loads of things the companies have done that have been great. But some of the blunders mentioned are serious **** ups.

I agree ✅

....although I like Bendis on the Avengers titles, especially New. ✅

Originally posted by willRules
I agree ✅

....although I like Bendis on the Avengers titles, especially New. ✅

The New, new Avengers is cool. But the Mighty Avengers and old studff was rubbish.

Marvel should let Ellis have ago with the Avengers. It would be like a paint ball match inside houses of Commons while on mushrooms.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
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Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Yeah i thought it was a little harsh as well. Especially coming from someone with this many posts

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Quality of thought > Quantity of whining. 😛

Jim Starlin's Death Of The New Gods. Worst thing to ever happen to them. 😬

Thank god Morrison seems to have retconned it. 😛

Onslaught reborn. 👇

Killing off Apocalypse in "Blood of Apocalypse." Most contrived storyline I've seen in awhile. Actually, should probably add Twelve Saga to that as well.

Apokolips Now. So much fail..........

Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.

Superman/Batman. Fun book, but there are tons of errors in it and the writing stunk.

Civil War. Just.....Civil War.

Countdown. Biggest waste of paper for the last 5 years in comics.

Originally posted by roughrider
😑 Man...

...just go out on a date, already.

If you consider the above a quality post i suggest you do less.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Jim Starlin's Death Of The New Gods. Worst thing to ever happen to them. 😬

Thank god Morrison seems to have retconned it. 😛

Onslaught reborn. 👇

Killing off Apocalypse in "Blood of Apocalypse." Most contrived storyline I've seen in awhile. Actually, should probably add Twelve Saga to that as well.

Apokolips Now. So much fail..........

Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.

Superman/Batman. Fun book, but there are tons of errors in it and the writing stunk.

Civil War. Just.....Civil War.

Countdown. Biggest waste of paper for the last 5 years in comics.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
If you consider the above a quality post i suggest you do less.

That was decades worth of venom on the list - sarcasm was all that came to my mind. Wasn't 'creating Thanos' on the list as well? 🙄

My response was a paraphrase from the Red Dwarf Anniversary special, where Kryten (Robert Llewellyn) reads some fan mail aboard the ship;
one particular piece of mail is so long in it's laundry list of complaints, he finally stops and says "Ever had a date, hmmm? I suggest you stop worrying so much and go out and meet some women!" 😂

(Another letter about continuity problems makes him yell "I guess we just made a mistake! OKAY!?!?!?)

Originally posted by roughrider
That was decades worth of venom on the list - sarcasm was all that came to my mind. Wasn't 'creating Thanos' on the list as well? 🙄

My response was a paraphrase from the Red Dwarf Anniversary special, where Kryten (Robert Llewellyn) reads some fan mail aboard the ship;
one particular piece of mail is so long in it's laundry list of complaints, he finally stops and says "Ever had a date, hmmm? I suggest you stop worrying so much and go out and meet some women!" 😂

(Another letter about continuity problems makes him yell "I guess we just made a mistake! OKAY!?!?!?)

Few of my qualms where actually about continuity errors, mainly about seriously bad writing. And yes Thanos is a rubbish character, who usually involved in sub standard story lines, (the exceptions being his mini, and the most recent Annihilation event where Marvel decided it was about time to kill him). Events like the "End" and Infinity Gauntlet are basically rip offs of Wolvmans Infinity crisis and most of Walter Simmons Thor run (both of which i don't particularly care for, but atleast i respect them as originals).

"Oh NO !!!! here comes another all one dimensional all powerful entity who wants to destroy the universe, because ummm ... he can ? Oh well, we'll just get everyone to team up (although most of the characters will be absolutely redundant) so can we appeal to a wider target audience".

Assuming this thread is about good story ideas that just were poorly executed I would have to say:

Bendis' run on the Mighty Avengers
-Ultron as a woman was stupid, but Ultron is awesome
-Venom attack on NY? Would make better as a Spider-man story (see Spider-Man: Web of Shadows video game)
-Doom and Iron Man back in the 80's? How did this go wrong?

Wally's return to being the flash again:
-The kids are a cool concept, but were ended up being more annoying than anything
-Especially Jai, seriously little kids with huge muscles aren't cool, they're creepy
-And instead of using any of the Flash's great villains they just made real generic new ones who nobody will ever remember or use again
-Wally not going acting like an average guy like he was when John's wrote him (No job as a mechanic? No time outside of the costume? He is acting like a regular DC Character which he isn't)
-Linda being a scientist all of a sudden?! And making her extremely boring, to boot.

Secret Invasion
-The first issue was awesome, but the rest just ended up just being a bunch of messy battle scenes with no real purpose (Essentially what Bendis does with the New Avengers)
-Essentially ending the series in the way Marvel has been ending all their crossovers over the last couple years; Really anti-climactic in order to initiate a new status quo that feels very forced, but will sell books like crazy for the first couple months, only to be dropped by most people until the innevitable crossover comes around.
-Essentially it sucks because of Bendis.

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Epic, but poor characterisation, poor dialogue and nothing more than your cliched ; Uber cosmic character threatens to destroy universe single handily, and then stopped by poorly thought out plot device. Also most of the comic amounted to nothing more than events in history disappearing, and redundant weaker characters standing around basically making appearances for the sake of it ( atheme prominent through out the 90's). Its basically a poor, poor version of COIE. Also wasn't there an incident where they use energy beams to support a city or something ? Its only redeeming feature was when the Spectre goes nuts with Hal, something i wish we saw more of nowadays. You know the shits hit the fan, when the Spectre shows up to kick your ass.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Assuming this thread is about good story ideas that just were poorly executed I would have to say:

Bendis' run on the Mighty Avengers
-Ultron as a woman was stupid, but Ultron is awesome
-Venom attack on NY? Would make better as a Spider-man story (see Spider-Man: Web of Shadows video game)
-Doom and Iron Man back in the 80's? How did this go wrong?

Wally's return to being the flash again:
-The kids are a cool concept, but were ended up being more annoying than anything
-Especially Jai, seriously little kids with huge muscles aren't cool, they're creepy
-And instead of using any of the Flash's great villains they just made real generic new ones who nobody will ever remember or use again
-Wally not going acting like an average guy like he was when John's wrote him (No job as a mechanic? No time outside of the costume? He is acting like a regular DC Character which he isn't)
-Linda being a scientist all of a sudden?! And making her extremely boring, to boot.

Did you miss Jai's comment about how he wish Wally would just abuse his powers and steal lots of money? So they wouldn't have to work?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Did you miss Jai's comment about how he wish Wally would just abuse his powers and steal lots of money? So they wouldn't have to work?

im waiting for powergirl to be like....wait a sec didnt i have a baby in Zero Hour?.....where the hell is my baby?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hush. Batman and Superman, plus Hush himself were done really well. Almost everyone else got screwed over. Joker especially.

Hush Returns, on the other hand, was awful.