Originally posted by Silent Hero
everyone stop prancing around the issue. Blade would kill elektra. Spider-man would kill elektra, Punisher would kill Elektra, Bullseye has killed Elektra. I could go on but I would be here all day 😎
All those people would kill Blade too... only with significantly more ease then dealing with Elektra.
And Spidy and Castle wouldn't stand a chance against Elektra. She'd put the ninja mind whammy on them and walk away.
Originally posted by Silent HeroAnd you would rather not subject us to such stupidity?
everyone stop prancing around the issue. Blade would kill elektra. Spider-man would kill elektra, Punisher would kill Elektra, Bullseye has killed Elektra. I could go on but I would be here all day 😎
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
For the love of God man think about why thats a terrible example....please just think.This is why we are in ths siutation that we are in now, you give examples but cant be bothered to think wether they are good examples or not. You just give examples and assume they are good examples.
You don't think its more along the lines that you are a contrary bastard and every example that poses any resistance to your "view" is labeled as a bad example and instantly discarded?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man has trouble with virtually everyone. It's the unfortunate nature of his character, he is supposed to be the underdog, thats when he is the most effective as a character so he gets writen down constantly.
Whos everybody? Hes also done well against top tier as well why doesnt that count for something.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Without prep Punisher doesn't have a hope in hell of beating Elektra.
Classic Punisher has punked Captain America and disarmed Captain America who suprised him.
Beaten DD twice.
Beaten Spiderman AND Nightcrawler at the same time. Shot Spiderman....
So you're telling me somebodies whos done that cant beat Elektra.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not sure I don't have the issue with me (home for reading week). Morbius was trying to get away from DD. Matt was holding him back, Elektra his him in the temple with her sai, Morbius was koed instantly and DD had to carry his unconcious body around.
So you're giving an example of Morbius fighting Elekta and DD and taking a hit that he didnt expect.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And DD has taken on Scorpion, and Venom, and done more than hold his own. He was even in his armor when he fought Venom, and we all know your stance on armor DD. 😱 😱 😱 😱
Yeah I just stated that he wasnt as good as the orginal that dont mean hes a pile of crap.
Furthermore you're not using your head again. Just because DD has done it doesnt make Spiderman crap.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneLike what?
I'll respond to some posters later but the fact of the matter is despite the feats that Elektra has Blade still has proof that he can beat her and vice versa.
I've posed the question numerous times now as to just what Blade has done that makes him able to hang with Elektra and all I get is titles like "master swordsmen" and "vampires" thrown into the mix with no evidence that clearly demonstrates any sort of advantage or superiority in the least.
Blade doesn't hang around mainstream Marvel, true, because he's a one demensional character. But that isn't what keeps him from having impressive enough feats to be able to hang with someone in Elektra's league.
Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes are definitely nowhere near the mainstream MU and their feats are uber, and clearly demonstrated.
Blade simply doesn't have them.
The fact that there are comparible factors between E and B due to mainstream Marvel is just icing on the cake.... Almost every high end feat Elektra has is better than Blades as far as I've been made aware.... And in spite of my distate for Blade I HAVE read and own a number of his books (mostly because I really got into the Blade movies and was hoping the comics would be more of the same only to be sorely dissapointed).
There's reasons for WHY we keep bringing up DD and Wolverine.. it's because you guys seemed to be under the impression that she's nowhere near top tier level and that she hadn't fought anyone near that level in her life. Which is entirely innaccurate.
Remember Alf, it's YOU that wants to base what these characters are capible of based on who they fight, not us. You want to throw around the name game? Fine, but you need to realise a few things...
Elektra's superior in that fasion still and names are going to be thrown back at you.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You don't think its more along the lines that you are a contrary bastard and every example that poses any resistance to your "view" is labeled as a bad example and instantly discarded?
He used prep!!!!!! Is this a prep thread????!!!!! God sake man.....think this is h2h match Punisher beating Spiderman with a radio emitter isnt a good example for godsake.
Furthermore Punisher has beaten Captain America with prep..anyway. Daredevil etc......
facepalm
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Classic Punisher has punked Captain America and disarmed Captain America who suprised him.Beaten DD twice.
Beaten Spiderman AND Nightcrawler at the same time. Shot Spiderman....
So you're telling me somebodies whos done that cant beat Elektra.
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What the first time they fought and Cap underestimated him? Okay. But I seem to remember things going quite differently the next time they met up. 😬
And had his ass kicked by dd plenty more.
He didn't "beat" them... 🤨
They were in the middle of their own fight when he interviened. but Elektra's taking out of Morbius is somehow comparitively illigitmate?
i seeeeee.
And yeah, he shot Spiderman, what about all the times he's missed?
Ummmm yeah, what about the only time the two characters in question ACTUALLY MET, why doesn't that count again?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He used prep!!!!!! Is this a prep thread????!!!!! God sake man.....think this is h2h match Punisher beating Spiderman with a radio emitter isnt a good example for godsake.Furthermore Punisher has beaten Captain America with prep..anyway. Daredevil etc......
facepalm
He didn't use prep. Spidy showed up in his wearhouse, an Frank used what he had laying around. Its not like he had prepared to fight Spider-man or anything.
I know, as I've said many times, Punisher beats (or at the very least is proves he is a contender against) virtually everyone he comes across. He doesn't get enough respect.
Originally posted by jinzin
Like what?
I just listed out the characters.
Originally posted by jinzin
Blade doesn't hang around mainstream Marvel, true, because he's a one demensional character.
LOL cant argue with that, if you say so.
Originally posted by jinzin
But that isn't what keeps him from having impressive enough feats to be able to hang with someone in Elektra's league.
Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes are definitely nowhere near the mainstream MU and their feats are uber, and clearly demonstrated.
What I meant was peoples hes fought. The peoples hes fought are an indication that he could beat Elektra. People may have great feats but its the fights that count. Karnak has great feats but Elektra would kick his arse. Bullseye has alot of feats better than Punisher but Punisher has beaten him twice.
Originally posted by jinzin
Blade simply doesn't have them.
The fact that there are comparible factors between E and B due to mainstream Marvel is just icing on the cake.... Almost every high end feat Elektra has is better than Blades as far as I've been made aware.... And in spite of my distate for Blade I HAVE read and own a number of his books (mostly because I really got into the Blade movies and was hoping the comics would be more of the same only to be sorely dissapointed).
If you say so.
Originally posted by jinzin
There's reasons for WHY we keep bringing up DD and Wolverine.. it's because you guys seemed to be under the impression that she's nowhere near top tier level and that she hadn't fought anyone near that level in her life. Which is entirely innaccurate.
Remember Alf, it's YOU that wants to base what these characters are capible of based on who they fight, not us. You want to throw around the name game? Fine, but you need to realise a few things...Elektra's superior in that fasion still and names are going to be thrown back at you.
For the love of god I never said they werent good examples im just saying that Morbius and an upgraded DF are just as good. Im also saying based on some of his characters they are indications that he could possibly beat Elektra. Blade hasnt meet as many top tier mas as Elektra has but based on some fights they can inidicate he has a decent chance of winning.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whos everybody? Hes also done well against top tier as well why doesnt that count for something.Classic Punisher has punked Captain America and disarmed Captain America who suprised him.
Beaten DD twice.
Beaten Spiderman AND Nightcrawler at the same time. Shot Spiderman....
So you're telling me somebodies whos done that cant beat Elektra.
So you're giving an example of Morbius fighting Elekta and DD and taking a hit that he didnt expect.
Yeah I just stated that he wasnt as good as the orginal that dont mean hes a pile of crap.
Furthermore you're not using your head again. Just because DD has done it doesnt make Spiderman crap.
I'm not sure you understood the gist of my post. You were using some twisted ABC logic (Morbuis > Spider-man, Frost > Morbius, Blade > Frost, Blade >>>> Spider-man), so I discredited your argument by showing you that the same argument can be made with DD. And that is a stance no rational person would take.
And Morbius doesn't become more durable when he fights people. If a blow to the temple took him down outside combat, it would inside combat also. Not as though it matters, Stone dropped Morbius by impaling him on some sais... and... yeah... call me crazy, but I think Elektra might be able to replicate that.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He didn't use prep. Spidy showed up in his wearhouse, an Frank used what he had laying around. Its not like he had prepared to fight Spider-man or anything.
Punisher has stated on panel that he preps himself for people hes likely to fight taking that into consideration he probably was prepped. Can you think of any of reason why he would have ear-plugs and a sonic generator....hes also used a similar technique on DD.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I know, as I've said many times, Punisher beats (or at the very least is proves he is a contender against) virtually everyone he comes across. He doesn't get enough respect.
Yeah so that not a good example is it?
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh yeah..What the first time they fought and Cap underestimated him? Okay.
Cant argue with that. You say Cap understimated him that makes it true.
Originally posted by jinzin
But I seem to remember things going quite differently the next time they met up. 😬And had his ass kicked by dd plenty more.
He didn't "beat" them... 🤨
They were in the middle of their own fight when he interviened. but Elektra's taking out of Morbius is somehow comparitively illigitmate?
i seeeeee.And yeah, he shot Spiderman, what about all the times he's missed?
Ummmm yeah, what about the only time the two characters in question ACTUALLY MET, why doesn't that count again?
Im talking about classic Punisher anyway, nothing past when DD shot Pun...thats why I said CLASSIC.
Originally posted by Trackz
in what way?
In almost EVERY way.... I'm pretty sure I just said that. 😕
Was that too hard to follow for you?
Originally posted by Trackz
he doesnt heal superior to him,
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade is stated to be a master of every single waepon known to man, he is more skilled with weaponary, because elektra knows ninja tricks doesn't mean she's more skilled Blade has never trained t ouse them, same way I could guarantee Elektra can't use half of the weapons balde knows how to use. ELektra (if she is more skilled) is not more skilled by any significant margin)
😂
Thank you for summing up for us just how far gone with Blade bias you fanboys really are.
No, you really can't guarentee that Elektra can't use half the weapons Blade does... Swords, guns, stakes and chains! OH MY! 🙄
Especially when she's been seen using just as many weapons in more impressive and effecient/proffecient displays.
in h2h. I'll have to disagree, her sheer ability has been able to own top tiers or put them on the complete defensive. Blades best feats come from beating a bruiser wielding a sword? and "stalemating" Wolverine which had nothing to do with skill in the first place?
Elektra's showings? Vastly more impressive.
Originally posted by Trackz
as for strength you've provided ONE feat, one feat that blade has duplicated (blade through knives that shattered a demon of pure stone to pieces)
Actually several feats were provided, of which only 1 you decided to descend upon like vampires and pretend that Blade's done the same thing. Elektra sent organic matter through bullet proof plates 2x over from COLLATERAL DAMAGE alone.
Blade sent more durable substances than rock through rock. Which was organic rock, and if you recognized anything about how geology works you would realize that rocks can easily be slit once an fault has been caused.... it's not even remotely as impressive.
Originally posted by TrackzUh no, you've just assumed they're Elektra's tricks, even though nothing of the sort is ever stated on panel... Unless it's you know... STATED which hasn't been used to support the premise...
for speed, you have provided barely anything save for elektra's ninja tricks,
So all you have hear is the culmination of willful ignorance.
Originally posted by Trackz
Blade would have extra defense against these seeing as Blade can sense Elektra(seeing as she was once a part of the hand, I'm pretty sure it's stated that some of their mystical nature flows through her)
Originally posted by Trackzyes she does.
she has no speed feat that greatly eclipses blade,
Originally posted by Trackzyes she does.
nor strength feat.
Originally posted by TrackzAll of them? 😕
As for skill what feat of skill does she have to say that she's a much better fighter?
Originally posted by TrackzAnd this means he's the equivolent to Elektra how?
Blade has fought off the entirety of the order of tyrana single handedly (when it was stated he could barely walk, and was bleeding from the loss of his hand)
Originally posted by Trackz
in terms of experience blade surpasses her marginally.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure you understood the gist of my post. You were using some twisted ABC logic (Morbuis > Spider-man, Frost > Morbius, Blade > Frost, Blade >>>> Spider-man), so I discredited your argument by showing you that the same argument can be made with DD. And that is a stance no rational person would take.
Well thats funny because jinzins using Elektra fighting Shang Chi, DD. Thats a problem with this debate and why your such a pain in ths arse to debate with. When I do it its illogical but when one of you guys do it its ok.
Again please think and stop assuming evreything I say is incorrect and stop assuming that everything you say makes sense.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Morbius doesn't become more durable when he fights people. If a blow to the temple took him down outside combat, it would inside combat also.
Thats known as a cheap shot......
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not as though it matters, Stone dropped Morbius by impaling him on some sais... and... yeah... call me crazy, but I think Elektra might be able to replicate that.
and Wolverine has been Koed by various means before doesnt mean the same technique will always work.
Jinzin mentioned Shang-Chi and DD because it was stated - several times no less - that Elektra not only wasn't a top tier street, but that she also hadn't fought and top tier streets. Jinzin is bringing things up in response to your to asinine posts... you are bring up Morbius crap because you are trying to make an arguement that some of the guys Blade fights have fought other people who are strong so by extension Blade is awesome and strong himself and hence better than Elektra. 😱
Not really the same thing, now is it?
I'd like to point out that I'm not jinzin (and by extension he isn't me). Several times in this thread people have tried to discredit me for things jinzin has said... which is seems odd. If you don't like what jinzin says, take it up with him, he is always more than willing to tell you why you are wrong and does it with more patience and tact then I have.
I'd also like to point out that I don't have a single post in any of the 50 some odd pages of that that massive Blade vs Wolverine thread, so the implications that I am somehow bitter about whatever happened in that thread (a thread I haven't even read btw), and am arguing against Blade for some twisted loyalty to Wolverine doesn't really have any merit at all. Infact... its a ridiculous notion.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Jinzin mentioned Shang-Chi and DD because it was stated - several times no less - that Elektra not only wasn't a top tier street, but that she also hadn't fought and top tier streets. Jinzin is bringing things up in response to your to asinine posts... you are bring up Morbius crap because you are trying to make an arguement that some of the guys Blade fights have fought other people who are strong so by extension Blade is awesome and strong himself and hence better than Elektra. 😱Not really the same thing, now is it?
Um Jinzin said this on the second page and was using this as proof that Elektra can beat Blade, this was way before I said anything about Morbius, Spitefire etc.
Originally posted by jinzin
Why because I don't think Blade can beat Wolverine, Elektra or Iron Fist?Wolverine already kicked his ass.
Elektra's arguably superior to Wolveirne.
Iron Fist since his upgrade is one shotting trains.Or is it because I don't think T'challa can take Creed? Once again, Creed already had T'challa dead to rights. Creed is BP's superior in EVERY CATEGORY except brains and fighting ability.
Oh what bias I have against the black community.
What a load of shit.
Any anomosity you may be sensing from me, is due to the sheer fact that any time Blade or BP are thrown into a street to mid-tier fight, the same three or four people argue in their favor no matter who they're pitted against and regardless if those several people know anything about the opposing characters or not.Elektra is a ninja who's abilities are so tempered that she's able to deflect multiple rounds of machine gun fire with the blades of her sais WITHOUT resorting to spinning them. Moves faster than the eye can perceive UNDER WATER. Swipes Punisher's gun from his hands before he could even notice standing 5 feet from him.
Strong enough to punch through bullet proof armor while wounded, throw organic material through 2 sheets of bullet proof armor, effortlessly stop the assault of Wolverine and a hulking man and toss them away from one another, and match Silver Samurai's ugraded class 10 strength.
Skilled enough to stand on even/superior ground to DD, Wolverine, Taskmaster, Silver Samurai and Bullseye.
AND she's a telepath who can read minds, infiltrate minds, and instill illusions into other prople who've been trained to negotiate her.
I'm bias because I think Blade can't handle that?
🤨Oh I'm sorry "he's a vampyre"... he's "the baddest of the bad" oh how could I be so misled. 😐
And I'm actually quite found of Panther given that I always envisioned him as a black ninja... and I do love ninjas.
Blade, meh I can't say I like him that much, but he's a character conceived for the sole purpose of cashing in on blacksploitation in the media so I find a lot of his character devoid of depth and appealing to steriotypes. Sure that's not always the case with him but that's also not the reason why I've argued against him in recent threads either.. As Srank as already painfully pointed out multiple times... He doesn't have the feats. Simple as.
Sorry FACTS don't appeal to your notion of racism upon me.
Like I said you're a hypocrite. When I do its wrong, when you guys do it its ok. This is why this thread is a mess.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd like to point out that I'm not jinzin (and by extension he isn't me). Several times in this thread people have tried to discredit me for things jinzin has said... which is seems odd.
You said.......
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not sure you understood the gist of my post. You were using some twisted ABC logic (Morbuis > Spider-man, Frost > Morbius, Blade > Frost, Blade >>>> Spider-man), so I discredited your argument by showing you that the same argument can be made with DD. And that is a stance no rational person would take.
So according to your logic jinzin is irrational...nice one. 👆
Furthermore it could be argued that feats are a waste of time since alot of characters that Punisheer has done well against or beaten hve better feats than he does but as usual you didnt think and assumed your stance and logic was better.
Again I dont have a problem with your logic just stop assuming you way of seeing things is the only way.