Originally posted by Starscream M
that's utter PIS then, seeing as Elektra didnt even land a hard hit
I've noticed how everything Elektra has ever done besides get killed by Bullseye is PIS in your mind. 🙄
I believe you insulted me and suggested that I didn't know what I was talking about. Since I was right, like every other time you call me on something, I think you should apologize and let the forum know you were wrong like usual and had no idea what you where talking about. I'm waiting. 😄
Originally posted by srankmissingninwe don't know the extent of wolverines fight with omega red nor how long he had to recuperate, he seemed fine as he took blades sword to the gut with no problem (when his healing factor is taxed, a wound like that usually brings him down), and we dont know how long morbius and blade had been fighting. and Blade took down 5-10 of the cape-killers before he stopped fighting...and a bullet to the chest managed to KO him.
Blade's "fight" with Morbius was nothing more then a punch and a slap, and then Morbius called the "Cape Killers" and they took Blade down quickly and with minimal effort. Little happened, and although there wasn't a time line given, even if Blade went straight to Wolverine's house after he read the files and got the blood, that "fight" with Morbius and the SHIELD Agents isn't enough to even begin to suggest that he wasn't at his fighting best.And Blade started the fight with Wolverine. You can say "well Blade didn't want to fight Wolverine either," but it doesn't really hold up. He came to Wolverine's house with the sole intention of fighting him. If Blade really didn't want to fight Wolverine he could have gone AWOL, he could have sat down with Wolverine and explained the situation to him, and at the very least, if he really wasn't interested in fighting, he could have let Wolverine get his beer first. But he didn't do any of those things, he showed up and Wolverines place and attacked him... and he got stomped into the ground for his effort.
SHIELD started the fight, they offered something Blade wanted, he wasn't roaring and ready to go fighting wolverine. Now you're speculating as to what else Blade could've done, he wanted SHIELDs benefits, that doesnt mean he was ready to fight wolverine, he didn't vamp-out (yes he does for the last time, other characters i nthe series have been shown to vamp-out as well in combat)
I hardly see him being stomped into the ground...Blade had his vampire vial ready all along and he needed to get close enough to use it, why else do you think he would sit on the ground shooting wolverine...that should be a dead-give away, he needed wolverine to get in that close and wolverine took the bait.
Originally posted by Trackz
we don't know the extent of wolverines fight with omega red nor how long he had to recuperate, he seemed fine as he took blades sword to the gut with no problem (when his healing factor is taxed, a wound like that usually brings him down), and we dont know how long morbius and blade had been fighting. and Blade took down 5-10 of the cape-killers before he stopped fighting...and a bullet to the chest managed to KO him.SHIELD started the fight, they offered something Blade wanted, he wasn't roaring and ready to go fighting wolverine. Now you're speculating as to what else Blade could've done, he wanted SHIELDs benefits, that doesnt mean he was ready to fight wolverine, he didn't vamp-out (yes he does for the last time, other characters i nthe series have been shown to vamp-out as well in combat)
I hardly see him being stomped into the ground...Blade had his vampire vial ready all along and he needed to get close enough to use it, why else do you think he would sit on the ground shooting wolverine...that should be a dead-give away, he needed wolverine to get in that close and wolverine took the bait.
He doesn't vamp out. 🙄
He seemed pretty close to Wolverine when he stabbed him in the gut and they started at each other for a few seconds. 😱
Like I said, your whole rational is baseless speculation as to why Wolverine easily kicked Blades ass, not a representation of what happened on panel.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Another baseless assumption from trackz! He's fangs can retract. He doesn't have an off switch for his stats. 🙄And his teeth were clenched the whole fight, you can't say for any certainty that his fangs even were retracted.
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Blood transfer from his bullet wounds to his uniform and back again. 😱
One again. If the Wolverine's healing factor [b]couldn't even heal the entry wound
of bullet then how was he standing? He took more then half a dozen bullets center mass, where his heart and lungs are located. Is it really your contention that he could even heal the entry wound of the bullet, the initial damage, but somehow he managed to operate with a punctured lung and severed aorta with no ill effects? Seriously?And he usually fights vampires!!! He's said himself that silver bullets are expensive and they misfire alot seems like a waste of time. 😱
And he has used traditional bullets, tranqs and holopoint silver-nitrate bullets before. 😱
And Wolverine could kill him before he made a cross 😱
My interpretation of what happened is exactly what happened on panel and doesn't require any sort of speculation.
Wolverine isn't interest in fighting.
Blade stabs him. Wolverine is unphased says "ouchie" and walks down the sword.
Wolverine is curious if Blade has a healing factor so he graces his check with his claws. The answer is apparently no since Blade doesn't heal so Wolverine retracts his claws for the next blow and sends Blade flying across the room.
Blade shoots Wolverine, who closes the gap, and disarms Blade for a second time.
Wolverine pins Blade to the ground and his him dead to rights, but doesn't finish him off because he isn't in the business of killing heroes.
Blade has a vampire vile that may or may not work. Wolverine tells him to try it. Blade doesn't.
Stalemate? 😱
Because Blade saying that he and Wolverine are evenly matched isn't a statement he is even remotely qualified to make, especially after an unwilling Wolverine effortlessly stomped him into the ground. He is how ever qualified to make a statement based on what weaponry he was using... seems like something he would know. His comment to Wolverine was Blade trying to safe face, what did you think he was going to say? "Let me go because I suck?" If he was interested in the truth he would have told him the real reason he stopped fighting. There is a difference between the nature of the two quotes, and I'm not sure why you can't see it.
He's shown that Dracula can turn him into a vampire briefly, and that other vampires can't. Dracula isn't an ordinary vampire, he is an exception to a lot of vampire conventions. He can change Wolverine into a vampire, other vampires can't.
Like I said before. It happens in Wolverine: Black Rio. You haven't read it? I'm shocked! 🙄
I criticize your interpretation of the fight because it isn't what happened on the panels. Your interpretation of the fight is one giant list of speculations about things that weren't said on panel, and weren't shown on panel but you apparently think were happening to secretly make Blade look better then he actually was. Wolverine stomped him into the ground effortlessly. Blade had a vile of vampire blood that may or may not have worked, and even if it did work would only have made Wolverine stronger / faster than he was to begin with in a situation where Wolverine already held virtually all the cards. [/B]
actually his fangs do, characters like spitfire, draconis and blade (daywalkers) have all shown that they can go between vampire, and normal. Even when his teeth are clenched you are able to see his vampiric teeth stretching out, even with his teeth clenched you can see his fangs, such as when he was talking to punisher and he grinned to show punisher his fangs, no wear in this fight are blades fangs depicted.
speculation, as none of this is shown at all, in the scene where you depicted wolverine healing the uniform was still bloody put you could plainly see wolverines wound, when Chaykin wants to show his character has healed the blood stemming from the wound will be gone, (evidence? do you see evidence of blades stab to wolverines chest anywhere on his person?)
guggenheim is a wolverine fanboy, he's the one who allowed wolverine to heal and think comfortable while he was still healing muscle back to his tissue, in reality the pain from his bones and muscle being exposed probably would've rendered him unconscious but he was fine, guggenheim doesn't think any wound can put wolverine down for long with his healing factor.
when did an ordinary vampire try and turn wolverine? Blade doesn't try it because he learns of his history with wolverine....were you reading the issue at all?
...wolverine didnt stomp him into the ground...at all, all blade received in this fight was a scratch to the cheek while wolverine was stabbed in the gut and shot in the chest, he was about to be dusted by blade. the fight was an utter stalemate.
you're interpretation is the same if not more speculation, you have blade eager and ready to fight wolverine, and a weakened wolverine effortlessly stomping blade and receiving all of his wounds on purpose. that coupled with the fact you believe Wolverine scared Blade into not using the serum proves your bias.
the fact my assumption has been backed by a reporter for marvel along with many fans (in fact I have seen more fans on other boards say it was a victory in Blades favor). Wolverine didn't win this fight, not by a long shot. If you can't see that Blade wanted wolverine to get close you're blind, blade has been punched by stronger foes and gotten up, yet when Wolverine punches him, he recovers, and stays on the floor, shoots wolverine, and stays on the floor, wolverine draws closer and tries to wrestle him, but blade punches him back, and again makes no effort to rise. He's needs wolverine close in order to use the vampire vial.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He doesn't vamp out. 🙄He seemed pretty close to Wolverine when he stabbed him in the gut and they started at each other for a few seconds. 😱
Like I said, your whole rational is baseless speculation as to why Wolverine easily kicked Blades ass, not a representation of what happened on panel.
...so blade retracts his claws for fun? no, daywalkers have shown they do this, spitfire does this, shes not vampiric at all until she bares her fangs, nor is draconis who resembles a normal human until he bares his fangs and his whole body turns into a greenish color. Blade bares his fangs in fights he takes seriously, he didn't take this fight that seriously. he wasn't trying to beat wolverine with any of his weaponry, he was planning to use the vial the whole time.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL what kills me is that he started to use ABC logic from the very beginning. "Oh im not using ABC logic im just assessing her skill level and its got NOTHING to do with why I think she can beat Blade."Hey **** it you post scans of Elektar throwings stuff I guess you were just 'assessing' her skills and it had nothing to do with why she can beat Blade as well.
Every time I think your sheer stupidity could outstand me no further, you just keep at it. 😐
As I said, and as you quoted... All that was, was an assessment of Elektra's skill level... It was a flat out blunt statement, short and to the point. At no point did I state Elektra's more skilled than Blade because she fights these guys. Just that she's skilled enough to fight them..
You think that it was ABC logic coming into place, but you tend to think a lot of things.... Perhaps you'd like to prove that premise? Oh that's right you can't... Because it's nothing I ever stated. 😐
So once again all you have on your end of the table is hopes dreams and speculation as opposed to what's in black and white in front of you....
No surprise here.... Comprehension's always been your biggest drawback.
I know you have a hard time with context and the concept of linear time, but if I was really using ABC logic there to prove her skills>Blades, then why is it you think, that my argument for Elektra's skill level against Tracks has been drawing on examples of the abilities she's performed due to skill and not this same ABC stuff?
Funny that...
Yeah, you're an idiot.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneYour parents never bought you puzzles or activity books did they?
LOL you just mentioned Wolverine, Elektra and IF in the first sentence
You need to READ THE WHOLE ARGUMENT if you're going to fly off the handle and quote off of it... I mention those characters because they are the premise of MB's stance that racism influences my perception of how Blade performs AS A WHOLE... when he's only assessed that based on those several specific vs. fights with several specific characters.
Several fights that I don't think Blade can win, doesn't make me assess all of his fights with some anti-bias..
This wasn't abc logic, and it certainly wasn't some attempt at using it for the purposes of who would win in this thread..... Nice job sherlock.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Then you obvoulsy gave reasons as to why you think Blade couldnt beat them.
Wolverine HAS beat Blade. 😕
Iron Fist HAS one shotted a train.
I'll give you that Elektra being superior to Wolverine is a bit of ABC logic though. But not inacurate.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Then AFTER that he does it again.
yeah we already went over this... nice to see you ignoring things as per the usual.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneBecause that's what I was doing. 🤨
Then hes like "...uh im not using ABC logic im just assessing the skills its got nothing to do with why she can beat Blade."You were obvoulsy using ABC logic and you obvoulsy mentioned them as some reasons as to why shes would beat Blade. I did the same thing and all of a sudden im irrational.
What a load of crap.
The only thing that approaches abc logic there was when I said Elektra's arguably superior to Wolverine..... Is that an innacurate statment?
And you didn't do the same thing... You're using 6 degrees of seperation that never actually link up together than trying to assess Blade's abilities based on that alone.
The closest thing that I did to what you did was state Elektra's arguably superior to Wolverine..... and that's once again, a blunt and simple statment that shouldn't be too hard to follow.
Originally posted by Trackz
he's stated to be a master of every known weapon...thats not a title, thats a fact, add to the fact he's barely ever lost to any foe I'd say he has the skill to back it. What evidence does elektra have that proves she's more skilled? she trained as a ninja, that means shes a more skilled ninja, but blade never trained as a ninja he trained to be proficient in every known weapon and he has, prove the elektra is more skilled in weapon use.You saying he's a one-dimensional characters stems from your general dislike of him...since he has many levels to his personality, like any character in the marvel universe, save your opinion on the character for yourself.
I would also like to add there hasn't been a single feat provided that outclasses blade, save for Elektra dagger carrying a mans hand through his body, (equalled by blade shattering a demon by sending knives through it) THat has been the only feat provided, and suddenly Elektra outclasses him in every way?
What elektra has shown his mastery of her ninja arts, vanishing right in front of people, changing her appearance, these are illusions coupled with her speed, not pure speed. It's not as if these would work on Blade, seeing as it has been stated Elektra body courses with a little bit of the mystical natures of the hand, meaning Blade would be able to sense her quite easily.
Nope, that's still a titles and ot's still one based on hyporbole that I can only imagine came from a handbook... Or am I giving you too much credit?
Yeah you'll forgive me if I ignore this nonsense seeing how you have absolutely no trouble doing that to me and my arguments.
Elektra>Blade....
Originally posted by jinzinI don't ignore your argument, many of my posts have gone unanswered, and yet I'm the one ignoring arguments? YOur arguments (or at least the general argument) consists of Elektra winning based on feats, feats I would like to add that haven't ben presented, save for two. Both of which have been countered by and equally impressive feat for Blade.
Nope, that's still a titles and ot's still one based on hyporbole that I can only imagine came from a handbook... Or am I giving you too much credit?Yeah you'll forgive me if I ignore this nonsense seeing how you have absolutely no trouble doing that to me and my arguments.
Elektra>Blade....
as for the "title" it is no hyperbole, Guggenheim lists this as one of Blade's abilities/Skills in his annotated bibliography of Blades history, and he had this stated in the first issue of his Blade comic.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade doesn't "vamp out", this isn't Buffy. 🙄Once again. One: Wolverine's healing factor would have long dispelled those bullets from his body. I've provided you with scans of this. 'Nuff Said. Two: Blade using silver bullets is speculation (like your entire misguided interpretation of the fight). If Blade was using silver bullets, and he thought said silver bullets where still inside Wolverine (lmao), then why did he say that he would only need to stake him once Wolverine was changed? Maybe you'd like to explain that? Further more how do you know that Blade was intending to use the vampire blood on Wolverine the whole fight? That he wasn't trying and just luring Wolverine in? How do you know it wasn't a last ditch back up plan that he brought with him, just in case? I know, because this is the only way you can rationalise the fight so that Blade doesn't look like a chump. 🙄
And Wolverine has been bit by Vampires before with no effect. The only vampire who has had any effect on Wolverine (and it was brief) was Dracula, so it stands to reason his vampire blood wouldn't have done the trick anyway.
Couple points.
1. Wolverine's healing factor doesn't always expel bullets from his body. When this happens and he heals over the bullets, he has to get them out manually (with his claws) I don't think his healing factor would push out a bullet which is freely floating in some natural cavity (lungs for an example)
2. A direct injection of vampire blood would most likely change him faster and be more effective than a simple bite.
Originally posted by RhinocerosNice. All very good points especially the point of the direct vampire blood injection into his jugular.
Couple points.1. Wolverine's healing factor doesn't always expel bullets from his body. When this happens and he heals over the bullets, he has to get them out manually (with his claws) I don't think his healing factor would push out a bullet which is freely floating in some natural cavity (lungs for an example)
2. A direct injection of vampire blood would most likely change him faster and be more effective than a simple bite.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Couple points.1. Wolverine's healing factor doesn't always expel bullets from his body. When this happens and he heals over the bullets, he has to get them out manually (with his claws) I don't think his healing factor would push out a bullet which is freely floating in some natural cavity (lungs for an example)
2. A direct injection of vampire blood would most likely change him faster and be more effective than a simple bite.
I can only recall Wolverine digging out bullets once off the top of my head, and I think the fact that he was a burnt to a crisp might have had something to do with that.
Maybe but like I said normal vampire bites have show to have no effect on him and Dracula's bit only effected him for a few minutes. If the vampire blood was effective (which I'm not sure it would be), it would have to have come from a pretty powerful vampire.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade can walk in the daylight, has no weakness to silver or garlic. He's not some run of the mill vamp.
Yeah but he can't shape shift, become intangible, fly, communicate telepathically, control the weather or exert mental domination over other people / animals. Something that powerful vamps can do.