Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't the war over with by then? I recall it was as the fight took place quite awhile after Logan escaped Shield custody.
No time frame was given after Wolverine's escape but one imagines SHIELD would be pretty prompt on trying to re-capture him. Anyway even after the war was over the unregistered heroes where still fugitives.
Originally posted by snoopdoggFair enough. Even though I still think Guggenhiem's retcon makes things pretty clear that he did. I'll empathise where you're coming from.
Blade had a few abilities even back then. He was immune to vampire bites, he could sense supernatural and aged slowly. He didn't manifest fangs, healing, sense, strength etc. until after the Morbius bite.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So you'd prefer something where we can compare between Blade and top tier streets then? 😱
and for starters Cap is arguably more skilled than Elektra. Also Cap didnt hold back once he started fighting.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Skilled humans > powerful vampires. 😱A C-list MA Human Blade > Frost. An A-List MA like Elektra > Vampire Blade.
That doesnt contradict anything I said. An extremely skilled human can beat a powerful vampire, for starters DF isnt even skilled he was just upgraded into a powerful form.. Again try to listen instead of just arguing.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
and for starters Cap is arguably more skilled than Elektra. Also Cap didnt hold back once he started fighting.That doesnt contradict anything I said. An extremely skilled human can beat a powerful vampire, for starters DF isnt even skilled he was just upgraded into a powerful form.. Again try to listen instead of just arguing.
and why he was in no way concerned for the cape killers safety himself and quite eager to fight them because he hates people in uniform... 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is why he was SHIELD tossing through bodies, one punch killing, crippling and otherwise disabling his foe..../ or why he used the jet he comendeered to attack them.....and why he was in no way concerned for the cape killers safety himself and quite eager to fight them because he hates people in uniform... 😐
Noit sure what your point is. My point is that Cap didnt hesitate while he was attacking them which Blade did which enabled him to get shot......anyway it could reasonably argued that Cap is better than Elektra anyway.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
...also all blade did was hesistate to uses lethal force........capt did the same thing
Cap didnt stop half way through the fight and say " hey I dont want to hurt you guys".
Blade was clearly hesistant when he pulled his gun and didnt want to use it. Cap wasnt hesistant in using his shield.
Blade wasnt hesistant about using lethal force he was hesistant about using the gun.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cap didnt stop half way through the fight and say " hey I dont want to hurt you guys".Blade was clearly hesistant when he pulled his gun and didnt want to use it. Cap wasnt hesistant in using his shield.
Blade wasnt hesistant about using lethal force he was hesistant about using the gun.
Why did he have to resort to threatening them with lethal force? Why couldn't he have just kicked the crap out of them?
Originally posted by Eternal Idolhe didnt threaten them with lethal foce, he started the fight telling them he didn't want to fight them and trying to convince them he wasn't a supehero, however blade is a martial arts expert but no ont the level of captain america, he's a weapons expert, Blade has taken out vampiric shield agents much easier when he had a sword and he did this easily because he has no qualm with killing the supernatural.
Why did he have to resort to threatening them with lethal force? Why couldn't he have just kicked the crap out of them?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Why did he have to resort to threatening them with lethal force? Why couldn't he have just kicked the crap out of them?
Because they were giving him a hard time but that still doesnt change the fact thats why he got Koed.
Bare in mind the 2nd encounter Cap actually used a gun against the cape killers but he didnt hesistate....he also got wounded twice. No doubt if Cap had stopped and waved the gun the same thing could have happened to him.
Originally posted by Trackz
he didnt threaten them with lethal foce, he started the fight telling them he didn't want to fight them and trying to convince them he wasn't a supehero, however blade is a martial arts expert but no ont the level of captain america, he's a weapons expert, Blade has taken out vampiric shield agents much easier when he had a sword and he did this easily because he has no qualm with killing the supernatural.
Drawing a handgun and taking aim IS threatening with lethal force. If Blade's intentions were to simply shoot to immobilize, he should've done so without being dramatic about it.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Because they were giving him a hard time but that still doesnt change the fact thats why he got Koed.Bare in mind the 2nd encounter Cap actually used a gun against the cape killers but he didnt hesistate....he also got wounded twice. No doubt if Cap had stopped and waved the gun the same thing could have happened to him.
So that's supposed to make Blade look better, because Captain America didn't hesistate to save his own ass in whichever way he could, rather than try intimidation or bluffing?
Originally posted by Eternal Idolhe was trying to negotiate and show he was friendly.
Drawing a handgun and taking aim IS threatening with lethal force. If Blade's intentions were to simply shoot to immobilize, he should've done so without being dramatic about it.So that's supposed to make Blade look better, because Captain America didn't hesistate to save his own ass in whichever way he could, rather than try intimidation or bluffing?
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Drawing a handgun and taking aim IS threatening with lethal force.
Not neccsarily he could have shot them in the kneecaps but he probably didnt even want to do that because they were just doing their jobs.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
If Blade's intentions were to simply shoot to immobilize, he should've done so without being dramatic about it.
Yeah but he didnt and hence thats why he got shot.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
So that's supposed to make Blade look better, because Captain America didn't hesistate to save his own ass in whichever way he could, rather than try intimidation or bluffing?
Yeah because it means Blade lost due to CIS not lack of skill. So it doesnt prove that he has less skill than other top tiers it just proves he made a bad decision.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Noit sure what your point is. My point is that Cap didnt hesitate while he was attacking them which Blade did which enabled him to get shot......anyway it could reasonably argued that Cap is better than Elektra anyway.
Which is why you can't comprehend what you're reading almost any time you DO read a comic.
Cap WAS holding back, so Blade "holding back" isn't an excuse for why he got owned..
Now it's because he hesitated? Well then his experience and skill don't count for much.
IF Cap is better than Elektra, and that's a massive IF (being generous here), it would be my such a miniscule amount as not to matter in a fight between the two. Can the same be said for Blade and Cap? Hell.... NO... 😐
Originally posted by Trackz
he was trying to negotiate and show he was friendly.
Saddam Hussein was reported to have tried the same when his underground bunker was found. Much like Blade, he was really in no position to negotiate.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not neccsarily he could have shot them in the kneecaps but he probably didnt even want to do that because they were just doing their jobs.
Regardless, they were keeping Blade from his work, which takes precedence over anything SHIELD's got going on. That should have been reason enough to try slapping them around or start blowing off kneecaps. He was aiming high, and threatening with lethal force.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah because it means Blade lost due to CIS not lack of skill. So it doesnt prove that he has less skill than other top tiers it just proves he made a bad decision.
Yes, it was CIS that lost Blade the fight. Maybe it was a bad decision, but it could just as well be Blade second-guessing his fighting skills. If he really didn't want to get taken in by SHIELD, he should have gone all out against the Cape Killers just long enough to manage an escape. He didn't because he couldn't, be it due to poor strategy or insufficient skill.
Originally posted by jinzin
Which is why you can't comprehend what you're reading almost any time you DO read a comic.Cap WAS holding back, so Blade "holding back" isn't an excuse for why he got owned..
*sigh* The difference is that Blade was standing there with his gun and didnt want to use it. Cap was kicking arse and he wasnt hesistant nd did not have reservations about kicking their arses. I hope this makes more sense.
Originally posted by jinzin
Now it's because he hesitated? Well then his experience and skill don't count for much.
Everybody makes stupid mistakes. Ive never seen him do that before...shit happens.
Originally posted by jinzin
IF Cap is better than Elektra, and that's a massive IF (being generous here), it would be my such a miniscule amount as not to matter in a fight between the two. Can the same be said for Blade and Cap? Hell.... NO... 😐
Doesnt matter Cap being better than Elektra is a valid point.
Originally posted by Eternal IdolYes, it was CIS that lost Blade the fight.
Yeah it was.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Maybe it was a bad decision, but it could just as well be Blade second-guessing his fighting skills. If he really didn't want to get taken in by SHIELD, he should have gone all out against the Cape Killers just long enough to manage an escape.
He made a bad decison, all characters make bad descisons sometimes.
Originally posted by Eternal IdolHe didn't because he couldn't, be it due to poor strategy or insufficient skill.
Well can you prove to me that it was from lack of skill? He was actually kicking their arses before he pulled the gun......
