Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Proof that Thanos can resist spells cast by magicians of skyfather level.Not energy attacks from Odin, but actual spells.
eh, the power of the infinity gems is far past skyfather level, and the OP has given thanos arguably the strongest one.
There's a very good argument that this version of thanos could simply warp reality to nullify said spells, if not outright strip Marvel of his powers with it.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
eh, the power of the infinity gems is far past skyfather level, and the OP has given thanos arguably the strongest one.There's a very good argument that this version of thanos could simply warp reality to nullify said spells, if not outright strip Marvel of his powers with it.
Proof.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Proof.
Of what, what the reality gem can do? It's in the very name of the damn thing.
Just as the power gem grants supreme power, and the time gem grants unlimited control over the concept of time, the reality gem grants the user infinite control over the fabric of reality.
It's rare you find the gems used by themselves, typically their best feats are accomplished in unison. But when you consider the IG has done reality based feats such as completely merging universes together, that's the power of the reality gem at work. Take a run through the IG respect thread for some really interesting examples.
Granted, the effectiveness of the gems is based on whoever happens to be using it at the time, but Thanos is probably the one person in marvel continuity who knows best how to use it. The gems, individually and together are far, far above skyfather level.
edit: found a scan explaining the power of JUST the reality gem. It's pretty conclusively above skyfather level.
here's another scan of Thanos with just the reality gem. (given to him by warlock post Infinity gauntlet saga.)
After using it to ressurrect Captain Marvel (lol!) from the dead, he explains how it was possible, and the capabilities of the gem. Marvel doesn't doubt him for a second.
Thanos with the full power of the reality gem would simply be too much for DC Captain Marvel to handle, IMHO.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm well aware of it's capabilities, I just find it doubtful that it would make such a huge difference. Resurrecting someone is slim pickings for any sky father level character and in the most cases magic is just like reality warping.
I'm not pointing to the ressurrection of Captain Marvel as proof of the power of the gem- look at Thanos' statements about it's power on two separate occasions.
It's VERY CLEAR the power of the gem is "whatever I say, IS. My thoughts are given substance, reality is what I say it is." The first scan gives examples such as "scientific law no longer applies, and facts are what I decide they are."
There's no reason Thanos would lie about the capabilites of the gem, twice, to two completely different audiences, one of whom he just returned from the dead.
If the gem really does have the abilities he says it does, It's pretty conclusively past skyfather level. Marvel is powerful, but he can't rewrite reality on his say-so like a fifth dimensional imp.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I'm not pointing to the ressurrection of Captain Marvel as proof of the power of the gem- look at Thanos' statements about it's power on two separate occasions.It's VERY CLEAR the power of the gem is "whatever I say, IS. My thoughts are given substance, reality is what I say it is." The first scan gives examples such as "scientific law no longer applies, and facts are what I decide they are."
There's no reason Thanos would lie about the capabilites of the gem, twice, to two completely different audiences, one of whom he just returned from the dead.
If the gem really does have the abilities he says it does, It's pretty conclusively past skyfather level. Marvel is powerful, but he can't rewrite reality on his say-so like a fifth dimensional imp.
Yeah, that statement doesn't really matter though. It's like saying Proteus could take on Odin, simply because Proteus' power is to make his wish become reality.
I want proof that Thanos would be able to control the reality gem by itself. AAIK, nobody has been able to utilize it fully by itself.
Now I know this is TEH THANOSEREOZZ!!!11 and he's used the IG pretty well, but that's not enough to back this up.
He may be able to use it for a few tricks, but to use it to his advantage in a fight is a different ball game all together.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah, that statement doesn't really matter though. It's like saying Proteus could take on Odin, simply because Proteus' power is to make his wish become reality.
We've already seen through multiple means that the full power of the gems eclipses the power of every single being in marvel continuity outside of the living tribunal.
The same isn't true for proteus. Not only is proteus' reality warping abilities limited in range and scope, they don't affect iron either. The reality gem has shown no such limitations, and indeed is referred to by the watcher as indestructible and essential to the existence of the universe.
here, again, is ETERNITY trying his best to convince Adam Warlock NOT to give Thanos that gem, as the mere act of giving Thanos the reality gem will place him outside of eternity's influence. If Thanos was merely proteus level, why would eternity care?
If you're unconvinced that eternity is above skyfather level, or is somehow lying, then I don't know what to tell you.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeWhat more proof do you need? Scans have been put up with regards to its capabilities so you know what its capable of.
I'm well aware of it's capabilities, I just find it doubtful that it would make such a huge difference. Resurrecting someone is slim pickings for any sky father level character and in the most cases magic is just like reality warping.
Originally posted by quanchi112
^^Id just like to hear some of Cap Marvel's feats.
You know as well as anyone that he dont have the feats. Hes not as popular as supes or thanos.
Neverthe less it does not mean MArvel couldnt beat thanos with the gem.
We will never know until we see more of marvels feats which will probobly never happen.
So if you want to claim thanos wins due to lack of feats from marvel then fine. But that is a lame argument. there are many characters that have amazing abilities that never get used due to the fact that they are not as popular or dont have their on comic.
Marvel is a skyfather (shazam) combined with captian marvel.
More i think about it im sideing with marvel on this one. And thats takeing nothing from thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep. Reality gem is too much for marvel here.
How would you know if its to much here? I mean after all we have no feats for marvel as you have so many times pointed out.
you have NFC if he can beat marvel or not. you have no idea if thanos with the gem is enough due to the fact that current marvel has no real feats. So you cant say weather or not he can or cannot beat him. 😉