Originally posted by BUSTER1I thought Hulk was first before thing, learn something new but Thing was only 6 months before Hulk so pretty much the same time. Who is to say which idea came first in that time frame. I thought that I remembered and interview with Stan Lee and the Hulk came first but that was many years ago.
Hulk wasn't the 1st -The Thing came before him.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Guys, guys, I see where we went wrong.Stoic is basing his entire (faulty) argument off of the fact that Pitt is a trans-level character. Beating the Collective or Sentry would take 2 seconds for Pitt. He did after all take a whole blast from the super duper, featless, angel-raper. And he did kill the super scary demons with long teeth and claws.
Wrong, don't tell people that I said something that i didn't, you are a liar dude.
I used Sentry to show how weak Alpha Flight was portrayed in their battle with Mauvais. I also see Pitt being able to beat Sentry when Supreme with the Hammer of Thor was unable to beat Pitt, unless of course there are people out there that believe that the Sentry could beat Gladiator with a weapon that would amp his abilities... hell from what I've seen people have doubts that Sentry could beat Gladiator all by himself... meanwhile Supreme alone was said to be Gladiators superior. Not ABC logic.... I'm telling it as it was written. You are simply a liar, and instigator.
Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong, don't tell people that I said something that i didn't, you are a liar dude.I used Sentry to show how weak Alpha Flight was portrayed in their battle with Mauvais. I also see Pitt being able to beat Sentry when Supreme with the Hammer of Thor was unable to beat Pitt, unless of course there are people out there that believe that the Sentry could beat Gladiator with a weapon that would amp his abilities... hell from what I've seen people have doubts that Sentry could beat Gladiator all by himself... meanwhile Supreme alone was said to be Gladiators superior. Not ABC logic.... I'm telling it as it was written. You are simply a liar, and instigator.
You make it sound like supreme beat gladiator????
He didn't gladiator played dead so supreme left, stalemate.
Have gladiator and sentry ever fought????
So how can anybody say who's the stronger of the two???
Look at the showing these two have they got some very high showings and some very lows showings.
You are telling as it is written??? Wrong since neither you, I or anybody els on this forum would really know the outcome in a fight between the two, unless ofcourse they allready fought.
Supreme was said to be two times more powerful than Gladiator, this is how it was written, now imagine if Supreme fought Gladiator with a mystical weapon that amped his power even further. Supreme wasn't holding back against Pitt either, he was calling him an unholy beast, that he wanted to destroy, but Pitt put him down, this is what I was saying nothing more nothing less, it also shows Pitts damage and mystical resistance.
Why don't you make a Sentry vs Gladiator thread? I've seen a few people that believe that Gladiator would beat Sentry in a battle, you are correct in saying that no one knows who would win a battle between the two, but they can guesstimate who would win due to past feats.
It would most likely be a very close battle between Sentry and Gladiator as they both have lost to the Hulk meaning they have both been measured. Can the Hulk beat Supreme with a mystical weapon? No one will ever know but Supreme is a heavyweight.
If I wasn't telling it the way it was written I would be lying, and as far as I wrote I don't feel like I was, all I was trying to convey was that Pitt has shown that he has a powerful resistance to magic... even his father says that once Pitt locks onto a target that there is nothing that will stop him from reaching said target.
If Urgrul Thul was written as a god slayer like Desak was then that is what he is, I was just saying that he had a huge advantage on Desak as he has been devouring deities for longer, which is what was written in the book... I was not taking anything out of context, but I guess most people refused to see that.
Like I said I before can settle for a stalemate where Pitt vs Mauvais is concerned, but I just don't see how Mauvais will stop him. KM doesn't see how Pitt will stop Mauvais and has shown how powerful Mauvais was in the Wendigo respect thread... But I won't say that Pitt loses to guys like the Thing, Abomination, Drax, Wolverine, Sabretooth, or a mindless Wendigo, when Pitt is a seasoned and highly intelligent warrior that has been fighting since he was an infant...
Pitt is so tough that when he was an infant he was dropped at the very least 3000 feet into a huge crater, and survived... how many full grown characters can boast this kind of durability?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Here's the kicker.- Venom and Mr.Hyde has not beat thousands of bugs who sent the Kree army packing, nor have they killed someone who stalemated the Surfer.
- Okay, what about the gods of the great north? Do you know how strong they are? Those guys are sky fathers easily.
- Alpha Flight lost against the Collective, nobody's disputin' that. This does not matter, Mauvais was not defeated by Alpha Flight, nor did they ever come close to beating him.
- What the hell does the collective? Or even Alpha Flight matter here? When I said that they defeated him, they did not do it using their own power. CONTEXT MOFUGGA, DO YOU USE IT?
- I'm still waiting on ALL THOSE FEATS FROM ALL THOSE OTHER CHARACTERS WHOM THUL SUPPOSEDLY KILLED AND ABSORBED.
- Where on the tier list would you place Pitt? If you'd place him on it at all.
Originally posted by Stoic
You are so close to being reported it's not even funny, whenever someone challenges you all you can do is start swearing at them and trying to intimidate them with your juvenile tactics. If you did not read what i wrote about Thul too bad, and if it means so much to you why not just find the book that Urgrul Thul appeared in? You will know exactly what happened... once again I will go slowly for you, my point in bring Thul into the thread was to show his magical resistance, I've alreeady proven that he can survive anything that Mauvais could physically throw at him. Were you able to understand that or should I explain it in terms that you do understand?
You didn't address a single one of these point, but instead made claims about "what I do when people challenge me" Try using arguments and DIRECTLY answer questions. Don't weasel your way out like the rest of your kind.
I am currently waiting on some feats for Thul.
Desak's track record:
- Beat Grey Gargoyle w/Mjolnir replica
- Beat several other gods who had fought/beaten classic Thor (name eludes me)
- Beat Magni
- Killed all the dark gods except 2
- Easily killed Loki as the sorcerer supreme.
Desak has FOUGHT AND DEFEATED SEVERAL CHARACTERS. Desak is at Trans-level because he has actually fought and defeated several powerful characters with a history, feats, etc.
Who with feats and appearances has Thul defeated?
Originally posted by Stoic
Supreme was said to be two times more powerful than Gladiator, this is how it was written, now imagine if Supreme fought Gladiator with a mystical weapon that amped his power even further. Supreme wasn't holding back against Pitt either, he was calling him an unholy beast, that he wanted to destroy, but Pitt put him down, this is what I was saying nothing more nothing less, it also shows Pitts damage and mystical resistance.Why don't you make a Sentry vs Gladiator thread? I've seen a few people that believe that Gladiator would beat Sentry in a battle, you are correct in saying that no one knows who would win a battle between the two, but they can guesstimate who would win due to past feats.
It would most likely be a very close battle between Sentry and Gladiator as they both have lost to the Hulk meaning they have both been measured. Can the Hulk beat Supreme with a mystical weapon? No one will ever know but Supreme is a heavyweight.
If I wasn't telling it the way it was written I would be lying, and as far as I wrote I don't feel like I was, all I was trying to convey was that Pitt has shown that he has a powerful resistance to magic... even his father says that once Pitt locks onto a target that there is nothing that will stop him from reaching said target.
If Urgrul Thul was written as a god slayer like Desak was then that is what he is, I was just saying that he had a huge advantage on Desak as he has been devouring deities for longer, which is what was written in the book... I was not taking anything out of context, but I guess most people refused to see that.
Like I said I before can settle for a stalemate where Pitt vs Mauvais is concerned, but I just don't see how Mauvais will stop him. KM doesn't see how Pitt will stop Mauvais and has shown how powerful Mauvais was in the Wendigo respect thread... But I won't say that Pitt loses to guys like the Thing, Abomination, Drax, Wolverine, Sabretooth, or a mindless Wendigo, when Pitt is a seasoned and highly intelligent warrior that has been fighting since he was an infant...
Pitt is so tough that when he was an infant he was dropped at the very least 3000 feet into a huge crater, and survived... how many full grown characters can boast this kind of durability?
I personally don't know who would win a fight between pitt and wendigo.
My problem with you is how you compare characters with one and other.
I mean wow great so Supreme is twice as strong as gladiator.
How confident was Gladiator in that fight?
How strong was he compared to other time's wen he fought someone???
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Pitt doesn't really have that much "magical" resistance, when Jereb was in Timmy he ripped him a new one unless you are saying that Jereb was more powerful then Urgral.
Timmy Bracken and Pitt are brothers, Timmy for some odd reason was as powerful as Pitt in his own way. I never said that Jereb was as powerful as Thul, only that it was a feat within itself that Pitt was not destroyed from taking a blast from Urgrul Thul. You also have the power to provide scans of the monologue that describes who, what, and how powerful Urgrul Thul was.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You didn't address a single one of these point, but instead made claims about "what I do when people challenge me" Try using arguments and DIRECTLY answer questions. Don't weasel your way out like the rest of your kind.I am currently waiting on some feats for Thul.
Desak's track record:
- Beat Grey Gargoyle w/Mjolnir replica
- Beat several other gods who had fought/beaten classic Thor (name eludes me)
- Beat Magni
- Killed all the dark gods except 2
- Easily killed Loki as the sorcerer supreme.Desak has FOUGHT AND DEFEATED SEVERAL CHARACTERS. Desak is at Trans-level because he has actually fought and defeated several powerful characters with a history, feats, etc.
Who with feats and appearances has Thul defeated?
My kind??? You don't know me kid, yet there you go again with your attitude; do you think that your impressing anyone? You know something... the way that you express yourself you remind me of a racist or a bigot.... 😂 "Your Kind".
1. Supreme would destroy the Grey Gargoyle with a replica of Mjolnir, so why you would bother bringing that up is beyond me.
2. I told you that Urgrul Thul was described as being a God devourer like Desak, the only difference is that Thul had beaten more deities than Desak, and as proof of this billions of souls were seen leaving Urgrul Thul and entering Pitt... did you miss that part?
3. The other nonsense that you brought up with Loki, and the 3 Dark deities are nothing to a being that was written to have devoured beings of that ilk for thousands of years.... The Pittman knows what I am saying as he has read the book, but in case he doesn't want to say anything about it... well thats just fine, you'll just have to find a way to read the Pitt comic that Thul appeared in... I'm sure you know how to do this.
Originally posted by Brutacus
I personally don't know who would win a fight between pitt and wendigo.My problem with you is how you compare characters with one and other.
I mean wow great so Supreme is twice as strong as gladiator.
How confident was Gladiator in that fight?
How strong was he compared to other time's wen he fought someone???
Why you would have a problem with me is truly beyond me... it was written in the comic that had Gladiator face off against Supreme, on the back cover it says that Supreme is twice as powerful as Gladiator which makes him quite powerful as you can imagine, as Gladiator has done well against the Silver Surfer.
It is never stated whether or not Gladiator was or was not confident so we have to accept the fact that he was he operating at his peak levels, why the hell do people think that everytime Gladiator does poorly that he is somehow unconfident.... I mean how many times has he gone limp in a comic? Once against Reed Richards who tricked him?
How strong was he??? WTF!!!
He said that if he did not play dead that they (Supreme and himself) would have destroyed countless planets. Does this sound like a weakling to you? Now if you take anything away from the fight that they had your lying right, don't forget that small point.
Pitt whooped Supremes crazy a$$, while holding Thor's hammer this happened I am not making up stories... Supreme translated in the Marvel Universe is a beast alone, and with that hammer he would be pretty hard to beat. He was unable to put Pitt down, and even hit him with eldritch magic that he drew from the hammer... this did nothing to stop Pitt, it only angered him.
Like I said before, Mauvais' feats are the shyt and all of that good stuff, but I still don't believe that he would be able to put Pitt down for the count... and since I really don't know Mauvais' damage capacity I will settle for a stalemate, but a loss from someone that could not put Alpha Flight away as easily as the Collective did, well I'm just not convinced that Mauvais was on the level.
Sentry did well against the Collective though, and that is true. As for Llan I read his bio and it seemed doctored as well as it being wild speculation.
Originally posted by StoicI didn't include those scans because they are basically mute points because Urgral doesn't have any references, not even in the Image universe to how powerful he was. The narrator describes him as powerful and killed billions of people but not to any one character from Image that has displayed feats. If so then you could compare feats but since he doesn't it really doesn't prove anything, for all we know Urgral could be just boasting.
Timmy Bracken and Pitt are brothers, Timmy for some odd reason was as powerful as Pitt in his own way. I never said that Jereb was as powerful as Thul, only that it was a feat within itself that Pitt was not destroyed from taking a blast from Urgrul Thul. You also have the power to provide scans of the monologue that describes who, what, and how powerful Urgrul Thul was.
Pitt couldn't defeat his father but Timmy (w/Jereb) did, Pitt couldn't withstand Timmy when he went on his rampage and by using this logic that would make Jereb stronger than Urgral. After all Urgral could have been playing with Pitt for the first part of the fight, it would fit his personality.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I didn't include those scans because they are basically mute points because Urgral doesn't have any references, not even in the Image universe to how powerful he was. The narrator describes him as powerful and killed billions of people but not to any one character from Image that has displayed feats. If so then you could compare feats but since he doesn't it really doesn't prove anything, for all we know Urgral could be just boasting.Pitt couldn't defeat his father but Timmy (w/Jereb) did, Pitt couldn't withstand Timmy when he went on his rampage and by using this logic that would make Jereb stronger than Urgral. After all Urgral could have been playing with Pitt for the first part of the fight, it would fit his personality.
What about Urgrul Thul sitting on a throne on a planet filled with the dead bodies of billions of aliens that he killed and ate? In his battle with Pitt it did not look as if he was playing with him he wanted to take Pitts soul.
Why would the narration speak of Urgrul Thul as being as powerful as he was if he wasn't?
There were two characters that looked an awful lot like the Phantom Stranger, and Odin hiding from Urgrul Thul? What was it that they said about him?
This is why I was wondering if you had those scans because if I had my Pitt comics with me, and not in Canada at my families house I would have put them up for all to see and read how the writer impressed upon the reader, that Urgrul Thul was a God Slayer. It specifically states that he went from dimension to dimension seeking out powerful beings to devour does it not?
If Thul was a pushover why was the synopsis of him so impressive? If he was a punk why did one blast from him hurt Pitt more than the laser cannon that was said to have the power of a nuke which had little effect on Pitt?
As I said before, I never tried to make Pitt seem like he could beat Urgrul Thul without a plot device, I only wanted to show that it was a feat within itself that he was able to take a blast from him without being destroyed.
I can't remember certain fine details but it was only Zoyvods body that was destroyed right? Not Zoyvod himself... is this correct?
Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you serious? 😬Did I read that right? your accusing me of doctoring the scan? If you don't believe me the bio is in the Mystic Arcana handbook go pick it up and it's word for word.
Ok no problem sorry you did not doctor it, but that last sentence remains to be wild speculation all the same, as it says "may have" and not "was" the scan did look doctored though, but if you say that it wasn't I believe you.
Originally posted by Stoic
Timmy Bracken and Pitt are brothers, Timmy for some odd reason was as powerful as Pitt in his own way. I never said that Jereb was as powerful as Thul, only that it was a feat within itself that Pitt was not destroyed from taking a blast from Urgrul Thul. You also have the power to provide scans of the monologue that describes who, what, and how powerful Urgrul Thul was.My kind??? You don't know me kid, yet there you go again with your attitude; do you think that your impressing anyone? You know something... the way that you express yourself you remind me of a racist or a bigot.... 😂 "Your Kind".
1. Supreme would destroy the Grey Gargoyle with a replica of Mjolnir, so why you would bother bringing that up is beyond me.
2. I told you that Urgrul Thul was described as being a God devourer like Desak, the only difference is that Thul had beaten more deities than Desak, and as proof of this billions of souls were seen leaving Urgrul Thul and entering Pitt... did you miss that part?
3. The other nonsense that you brought up with Loki, and the 3 Dark deities are nothing to a being that was written to have devoured beings of that ilk for thousands of years.... The Pittman knows what I am saying as he has read the book, but in case he doesn't want to say anything about it... well thats just fine, you'll just have to find a way to read the Pitt comic that Thul appeared in... I'm sure you know how to do this.
Why you would have a problem with me is truly beyond me... it was written in the comic that had Gladiator face off against Supreme, on the back cover it says that Supreme is twice as powerful as Gladiator which makes him quite powerful as you can imagine, as Gladiator has done well against the Silver Surfer.
It is never stated whether or not Gladiator was or was not confident so we have to accept the fact that he was he operating at his peak levels, why the hell do people think that everytime Gladiator does poorly that he is somehow unconfident.... I mean how many times has he gone limp in a comic? Once against Reed Richards who tricked him?
How strong was he??? WTF!!!
He said that if he did not play dead that they (Supreme and himself) would have destroyed countless planets. Does this sound like a weakling to you? Now if you take anything away from the fight that they had your lying right, don't forget that small point.
Pitt whooped Supremes crazy a$$, while holding Thor's hammer this happened I am not making up stories... Supreme translated in the Marvel Universe is a beast alone, and with that hammer he would be pretty hard to beat. He was unable to put Pitt down, and even hit him with eldritch magic that he drew from the hammer... this did nothing to stop Pitt, it only angered him.
Like I said before, Mauvais' feats are the shyt and all of that good stuff, but I still don't believe that he would be able to put Pitt down for the count... and since I really don't know Mauvais' damage capacity I will settle for a stalemate, but a loss from someone that could not put Alpha Flight away as easily as the Collective did, well I'm just not convinced that Mauvais was on the level.
Sentry did well against the Collective though, and that is true. As for Llan I read his bio and it seemed doctored as well as it being wild speculation.
I ask again how strong was gladiator in that fight compared to other fights he had????
So sure iff they kept fighting they would destroy planets because of gladiators skill they could be fighting forever.
Or because of the energy outputt iff that's the case wouldn't that planet be destroyed the very first moment supreme attacked gladiator??? Since Supreme was pretty much crazy in that fight.
Second why is that fight so important issn't it a crossover???
And the thor you keep saying so that hammer of his is exactly the same as you know marvel thors???
So image thor is a exact copy of marvel thor???
Originally posted by -K-M-
Considering Llan has shown for thousands of years to manipulate events and direct people, it's not really much speculation.
It was speculation, there was nothing definite about it, and anyone can see that in Llan's bio. So it in turn was ignored by myself because of it lacked the evidence that it was intended to show.
What I know for sure was that the Collective killed 95% of Alpha Flight, yet the Sentry was able to resist his power. Those are definites that I don't have to guess at. again Alpha Flight went to the Collective asked him to stand down and were killed in seconds whether it was off panel or on panel, their physical forms could not take the Collectives attack. It's also not as if there were not eye witnesses Sasquatch survived and he said nothing of Llan's presence.
This is why I ignored the bio completely.
Originally posted by Brutacus
I ask again how strong was gladiator in that fight compared to other fights he had????So sure iff they kept fighting they would destroy planets because of gladiators skill they could be fighting forever.
Or because of the energy outputt iff that's the case wouldn't that planet be destroyed the very first moment supreme attacked gladiator??? Since Supreme was pretty much crazy in that fight.Second why is that fight so important issn't it a crossover???
And the thor you keep saying so that hammer of his is exactly the same as you know marvel thors???
So image thor is a exact copy of marvel thor???
Did you read the comic? Supreme was more powerful than Gladiator, why is that so hard for you to believe? Gladiator had to be as poweful as he was on his best showing if he said that he had to play dead or they would have destroyed planets.. I am not trying to be rude, but you read the comic, and you're still asking me these questions. It happened as it was written, and if you take anything from it, that would be construed as a false claim.
In crossovers such as the one that Gladiator and Supreme fought in both companies must come to an agreement that one character is more powerful than the other, and if they can not agree, all bets are off, it wasn't fan voted it was the way that the companies compared the characters.
Supreme may have even jobbed in the comic a little as he was able to physically rip through a trans dimensional barrier (whatever the hell that is).
Supreme fought the Image universes Thor, and he was portrayed as being a heavyweight, I don't know if he was the equal of Marvels Thor, only that he could take a punch from Supreme which sent him flying several miles away, and he was able to rise from it.
The hammer was taken from Thor after he was defeated by Supreme, so yes it's enchantment was similar. It also amped Supreme's powerset turning him into a magical being while in possession of the hammer.
Originally posted by StoicAll of this is speculation, they beefed up his bio and he could be all powerful but we do not know because they didn't continue the series. Urgral never appear an any other series, never stated any other well know character he killed or planet or reference so his power level is unknown. The billions of people could have been just normal people or could have all been superpowerd but we do not know. The same thing could have been like the Surfer, he was first described as being a destroyer of worlds but later found out that it was his master.
What about Urgrul Thul sitting on a throne on a planet filled with the dead bodies of billions of aliens that he killed and ate? In his battle with Pitt it did not look as if he was playing with him he wanted to take Pitts soul.Why would the narration speak of Urgrul Thul as being as powerful as he was if he wasn't?
There were two characters that looked an awful lot like the Phantom Stranger, and Odin hiding from Urgrul Thul? What was it that they said about him?
This is why I was wondering if you had those scans because if I had my Pitt comics with me, and not in Canada at my families house I would have put them up for all to see and read how the writer impressed upon the reader, that Urgrul Thul was a God Slayer. It specifically states that he went from dimension to dimension seeking out powerful beings to devour does it not?
If Thul was a pushover why was the synopsis of him so impressive? If he was a punk why did one blast from him hurt Pitt more than the laser cannon that was said to have the power of a nuke which had little effect on Pitt?
As I said before, I never tried to make Pitt seem like he could beat Urgrul Thul without a plot device, I only wanted to show that it was a feat within itself that he was able to take a blast from him without being destroyed.
I can't remember certain fine details but it was only Zoyvods body that was destroyed right? Not Zoyvod himself... is this correct?
You would include those scans because you feel that just because of one appearance and some narration that this proves how powerful he was but since there is no frame of reference other that "that guy looked like Odin" doesn't mean a thing. Even the characters that were talking about him also had no frame of reference unless I'm mistaken, I don't remember them an any other series. If they did and have measure power levels that could make their description of him more valid.
When he attacked Pitt he could have not been using his full power and underestimated him because of his big ego, the fight didn't even go past a few frames. How many times have people fought for the first time and their first punch wasn't the killing all powerful one?
Juggernaut has been described as un-stoppable and we know that he has because of a frame of reference.
Galactus has been described as being all-powerful and we know that is not true because of a frame of reference.
Zoyvod body was destoryed and not him, Zoyvod can't be killed by normal means as far as I'm aware.
Originally posted by Stoic
What I know for sure was that the Collective killed 95% of Alpha Flight, yet the Sentry was able to resist his power. Those are definites that I don't have to guess at. again Alpha Flight went to the Collective asked him to stand down and were killed in seconds whether it was off panel or on panel, their physical forms could not take the Collectives attack. It's also not as if there were not eye witnesses Sasquatch survived and he said nothing of Llan's presence.This is why I ignored the bio completely.
No we don't actually, even Shaman has been appearing in astral form and AF actually has doubles out there. Once again it was stated to not be just seconds as shown through various flashbacks so no again. They were ordered to halt the Collective's movements and tell him to turn around, they wern't going to engage him and as shown wern't ready as they were talking to the Collective and then he attacked. Unlike the New Avengers and Sentry, they knew what the Collective was, AF did not have that advantage and as noted were taken off-guard. Now that's fact 😬
Sentry also fought the Collective when he wasn't even using his various powers, he went blow with blow for him rather then use his powerset, which was shown he did on AF. That's like comparing apples and oranges, you just can't.
Llan has various forms, he has shown to even appear as a cloud of smoke. If Llan doesn't want you to know he is there, you won't know 😬