Originally posted by fangirl101
The scan is backed by Wonder Woman, who can't lie, giving recount of her and Superman Sparring, Backed by Batman's answer and then validated by Superman understanding what they are saying. He didn't agree either. Superman fans want Superman to be better than everyone. It's canon. Pure and Simple. backed by logic. And it makes sense. The Speed of hermes is 300,000 miles per hour. Which is what Diana taps. Superman moves so much faster than that. The only way Diana Should be able to fight him is with Superior combat speed. Even in her best speed feats, She has only gone a few times light. Breaking the SFB. Unless Superman isn't faster. Is that what you are saying? Even the scans says he has the advantage in raw speed.
To be fair, even if WW can't lie as such she can and has been wrong about things that she has stated or believed on panel. You don't have to be lying to be wrong. And remember - all the statements in those JLAs were purely characters' own opinions and not presented as facts.
Batman's answer was... irrelevant. He compares Bolt and Bruce Lee? Well, Bolt has a combination of training, technique, power, stamina, muscle structure, lung capacity, psychology, steroids (just kidding!) etc that allows him to run really fast over the shorter distances (but not the longer distances - other athletes are faster there). Lee had some almost certainly different combination of these factors that allowed him to move his body fast in a completely different way. As an analogy it is useful only to demonstrate that there are different types of speed, which everyone would already know anyway. It tells us precisely nothing more about whether or not the application of superspeed in a fight situation would be greater than the application of Hermes speed.
Given that Superman is stated to be able to move faster than pretty much anybody on earth except Flash types (I mean move his body faster, not just fly faster) and has years of feats to back that up, I would say he is faster in a fight or whatever type of speed. But yes WW's skill can offset that advantage to some extent exactly as you would expect.
Hence in their past fights neither seemed to be able to dodge each other's blows very well and were landing plenty of their own. If WW really was faster in combat, as well as having her better skills, I don't think this would be the case. Would you really be punched around like that if you were fighting someone who was a noticeably slower fighter than you and who had considerably less MA/HTH skills and training?
post i meant to make earlier:
Originally posted by basilisk
To be fair, even if WW can't lie as such she can and has been wrong about things that she has stated or believed on panel. You don't have to be lying to be wrong. And remember - all the statements in those JLAs were purely characters' own opinions and not presented as facts.Batman's answer was... irrelevant. He compares Bolt and Bruce Lee? Well, Bolt has a combination of training, technique, power, stamina, muscle structure, lung capacity, psychology, steroids (just kidding!) etc that allows him to run really fast over the shorter distances (but not the longer distances - other athletes are faster there). Lee had some almost certainly different combination of these factors that allowed him to move his body fast in a completely different way. As an analogy it is useful only to demonstrate that there are different types of speed, which everyone would already know anyway. It tells us precisely nothing more about whether or not the application of superspeed in a fight situation would be greater than the application of Hermes speed.
Given that Superman is stated to be able to move faster than pretty much anybody on earth except Flash types (I mean move his body faster, not just fly faster) and has years of feats to back that up, I would say he is faster in a fight or whatever type of speed. But yes WW's skill can offset that advantage to some extent exactly as you would expect.
Hence in their past fights neither seemed to be able to dodge each other's blows very well and were landing plenty of their own. If WW really was faster in combat, as well as having her better skills, I don't think this would be the case. Would you really be punched around like that if you were fighting someone who was a noticeably slower fighter than you and who had considerably less MA/HTH skills and training?
👆
pretty much how i feel on the matter...
McDuffie even acknowledges Clark's superspeed, but he doesn't seem to understand what that means.
He must think that Supes can flail his arms and legs randomly at near lightspeed. He doesn't seem to realize that his thoughts, perceptions, and reflexes are all accelerated to match.
Maybe in next month's JLA, Batman will put Clark in an armbar...
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Does she really have speed blitz, havn't ever seen her do it. I was also debating if I should have put morg in SS place since Morg has actual credible h2h.
Just becasue a character dont regulary speedblitz in comics.
Dont mean they couldnt do it. WW,captian marvel black adam and supes im sure are all capeable of blitzing targets , and there are other characters out there too that could.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Thor should be stronger- In the superman fight Superman stated Thor was the strongest foe he'd EVER fought, and that would include wonderwoman...wouldn't it?Thor also has the ability to temporarily enter warrior madness, which amplifies his strength x10.
a warrior madness thor would almost certainly outclass WW.
Note also that *with mjolnir* thor is able to swing and hit at multiples of lightspeed, so WW may not have a speed advantage here. Thor's durability is likely a lot higher, as well- I'd give him the edge in pure H2H.
WM thor physically could demolish superman WW captian marvel and black adam at the same time.
To bad he is so stupid the he cant beat a single one of the by him self.
💃
Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
McDuffie even acknowledges Clark's superspeed, but he doesn't seem to understand what that means.He must think that Supes can flail his arms and legs randomly at near lightspeed. He doesn't seem to realize that his thoughts, perceptions, and reflexes are all accelerated to match.
Maybe in next month's JLA, Batman will put Clark in an armbar...
normally i'd find that hilarious, but with mcduffie, you never know...
Originally posted by fangirl101
You don't read WW do you. I HATE when someone gives an opinion without knowing the facts. Superman said that Thor MAY be. not that he was. please. Reread JLA Avengers. And Wondy has blocked projectiles faster than Thor can throw his hammer. And it's not just about how fast he can throw. She can out maneuver him. Thor doesn't just enter WM. and Her lasso PWNS his warrior madness. It would instantly calm him down. I don't think Thor's durability is a lot higher. He's been knocked out by a bullet under the skin. And In pure h2h, she WTF pwns him. No top tier brick can beat Diana in hand to hand alone.
Superman can, and has...
Originally posted by Philosophía
Also, did anyobody else go 'wtf?' at Superman's retort with the 'Excuse me, Diana. Superspeed?'.
Pretty sure that was a nod towards his PC era stuff. When he called everything, "Super vision" and "Super intelligence" and "Super speed" and "Super ventriloquism."
I laughed. I thought it was clever.
🙁 I hope that doesn't make me as lame as McDuffie.
...Welp this is the first time I think I've ever had Thor losing to WW but in pure h2h, its basically a toss up but Thor is used to mjolnir and WW is used to beating on Supes barehanded. I'll give the slight edge to WW.
😘
Originally posted by fangirl101
Dont' worry. It's over. It's totally obvious to anyone reading what's happening. I've been MIA for a while. I'll go back to that. merry holidays.
Go back to that meaning posting more and not less right? RIGHT?